re: Orgeron’s ceiling and floor

Sure but I think O learned a lot from Ole Miss.

He will do what needs to be done to get better.

O isn’t getting fired. The team was gutted, but he’s gotta fix what can be fixed this year.

Defense is confused.
Play calling issues on both sides.

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This is LSU, not Appalachian State. LSU should compete for titles every year.

O got lucky once. Thank him, make him a recruiting ambassador or something.


But it’s time to move on

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First, define “competing for titles every year.” Second, tell me when LSU has ever, in the history of the program, met that bar.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to compete for titles every year. And I think Orgeron deserves heat for our current defensive woes. But some of you are fricking ridiculous with the “fire Orgeron” takes 3 games after an undefeated national championship.

Of active FBS head coaches, only 3 (including Orgeron) have won a national championship with their current program. Only six have a higher winning percentage than Orgeron at their current program. Of those six, one has only been head coach for a year (Ryan Day), and one is in the Group of 5 (Josh Heupel). That leaves Saban, Dabo, Mullen, and Riley.

I get it. We all want LSU to achieve the level of success we see at Bama and Clemson. We are all pissed off about our performance in the first three games this year. But every time you fire a head coach, you roll the dice. Which is why you give your coach a long rope when he wins a title - there’s no guarantee that the next guy will be any better.

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Is the problem the X's and O's or the Jimmys and Joes?

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It’s both to an extent

Too late. You couldn’t edit before someone quoted it and showed everyone the truth about you and those like you.