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Is UBI Inevitable At This Point?
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:59 am
Posted on 10/9/20 at 9:59 am
This was partially brought up on the OT in regards to affordable housing but it's something I think a lot of people are overlooking. I think UBI was always inevitable but that Coronavirus has pushed the timeline up.
You look at it, our federal government during all of this essentially tested out UBI with the $600 Federal Enhanced Unemployment. That ended at the end of July, people immediately started screaming for it to be extended. First people wanted it be extended until the end of the year and now people want it to be extended until the "pandemic is over" (by over I mean when the media finally declares it to be over, it's already over). Even after the "pandemic is over" you have now conditioned people to demand that $600 Federal Enhanced Unemployment.
I think Coronavirus is going to lead to a big push for UBI, especially if Biden and the Democrats take control. I would dare say the Coronavirus has probably moved the time table up on UBI a good 20 - 30 years. I know most of us Conservatives won't like it but I think it's coming. What do you think?
You look at it, our federal government during all of this essentially tested out UBI with the $600 Federal Enhanced Unemployment. That ended at the end of July, people immediately started screaming for it to be extended. First people wanted it be extended until the end of the year and now people want it to be extended until the "pandemic is over" (by over I mean when the media finally declares it to be over, it's already over). Even after the "pandemic is over" you have now conditioned people to demand that $600 Federal Enhanced Unemployment.
I think Coronavirus is going to lead to a big push for UBI, especially if Biden and the Democrats take control. I would dare say the Coronavirus has probably moved the time table up on UBI a good 20 - 30 years. I know most of us Conservatives won't like it but I think it's coming. What do you think?
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Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:02 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
I suspect that with Social Security becoming less of a reality and as robots/AI take over more sectors of employment, UBI will become a bigger and more popular taking point with every future election.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:07 am to LSUDVM1999
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I suspect that with Social Security becoming less of a reality and as robots/AI take over more sectors of employment, UBI will become a bigger and more popular taking point with every future election.
Especially with the Coronavirus and $15 minimum wage. The Coronavirus is going to wipe out what's left of brick and mortar outside of your megacorporations (Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot). Everything is going to be bought online. More online, less brick and mortar, less employees needed.
Same thing with restaurants. $15 minimum wage means touch screens are here to stay. That means no cashier needed to take your order. In all honesty though I think it goes deeper than that. With the Coronavirus I think you'll see a lot of fast food restaurants fundamentally change. I think many fast food places will go to Drive Thru Only or maybe Drive-Thru/Carryout. No inside dining area. Again by doing that, less employees needed.
The whole Coronavirus situation has shown that a large part of the population of our country could lose their employment overnight. I know, I was one of those who was affected. And my department was booming before all this happened. As people remember what happened during Coronavirus, as automation becomes more common and as Social Security fails you are going to see people screaming for UBI.
This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 10:11 am
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:07 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
Free everything !!!!
Living/food/college/bills/cell phones
No expenses at all for anyone !!!!!
Living/food/college/bills/cell phones
No expenses at all for anyone !!!!!
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:13 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
The response to COVID will end up being one of the biggest economic fleecings ever.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:14 am to Lawyered
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Free everything !!!!
Living/food/college/bills/cell phones
No expenses at all for anyone !!!!!
Of course we all know it's never free. For those who do work get ready for the government to take 70% of your income to pay UBI for those who don't work. Who's going to work under those conditions? People won't. That's when the government will have to force people to work. That's when a lot of people will finally realize that they've given up their freedom.
But sadly it doesn't change the question. Even if UBI is doomed to ultimate failure is it inevitable at this point?
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:14 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
Might be unpopular opinion here but I think Andrew Yang's stance on UBI is correct.
However the completed timeline of his ideas are still at least 20-30 years away from becoming reality so it shouldn't be a pressing issue in an election until maybe 2032 IMO
However the completed timeline of his ideas are still at least 20-30 years away from becoming reality so it shouldn't be a pressing issue in an election until maybe 2032 IMO
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:16 am to PhillyTiger90
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Might be unpopular opinion here but I think Andrew Yang's stance on UBI is correct.
However the completed timeline of his ideas are still at least 20-30 years away from becoming reality so it shouldn't be a pressing issue in an election until maybe 2032 IMO
That's the reason I posted that I think the timeline could easily be pushed up 20 - 30 years. Andrew Yang's stance on UBI was before Coronavirus pushed many Americans to the brink.
Sadly I think after this there's going to be a much bigger appetite for UBI. People have now seen just how fast their jobs and their entirely livelihoods can go away.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:16 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
Are we willing to let people starve in the streets?
I'm not for it, but that's the only way UBI works.
You get rid of all entitlements. Everything. No food stamps, Section 8 housing, welfare, etc.
Give all people a guaranteed amount of money, not means tested. The U stands for UNIVERSAL.
If people want to earn more, they work. If you can't manage your money or waste it, etc., tough shite.
Private charities would still exist, but ZERO additional government help.
Of course, this would not be palatable to the left. They want UBI on top of everything else.
I'm not for it, but that's the only way UBI works.
You get rid of all entitlements. Everything. No food stamps, Section 8 housing, welfare, etc.
Give all people a guaranteed amount of money, not means tested. The U stands for UNIVERSAL.
If people want to earn more, they work. If you can't manage your money or waste it, etc., tough shite.
Private charities would still exist, but ZERO additional government help.
Of course, this would not be palatable to the left. They want UBI on top of everything else.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:18 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
UBI believers have been claiming it’s right around the corner for a decade now and that it is inevitable, but so far the robots haven’t taken over and nobody is any more willing to finance layabouts to sit at home to watch cartoons and smoke weed all day.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:18 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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but ZERO additional government help.
And this will never happen.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:19 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
At this point, I’m not too sure what to think about it. I’m a huge free market capitalist, but at what point does the world’s dependence on the USA’s success make our debt-based economy too big to fail, in turn opening the door for economically consequence-free UBI? I mean we can print and borrow a seemingly unlimited amount of money at this point and no one is going to do shite about it. Economic theory is one thing and reality is another, and reality is weird as hell right now.
I think UBI is terrible culturally for the USA and goes against everything I stand for as a man and a worker, but things like the Internet and Social Media are 1,000x worse for the country and they’re here to stay. Combine that with the fact that we’re racing toward authoritarianism, most of our “jobs” are centered around government, insurance, sales, construction, or working for a massive corporation, and the CIA/FBI are essentially involved with and dominating every single military conflict on earth, and you’ve got the National Authoritarian Socialist Party of America running the show, so why not just complete the transition?
Very fricked up complicated situation all around and I don’t see how anyone can understand the big picture fully enough to make a good call. Way too many moving parts and the world has changed immeasurably in the last 8 years
I think UBI is terrible culturally for the USA and goes against everything I stand for as a man and a worker, but things like the Internet and Social Media are 1,000x worse for the country and they’re here to stay. Combine that with the fact that we’re racing toward authoritarianism, most of our “jobs” are centered around government, insurance, sales, construction, or working for a massive corporation, and the CIA/FBI are essentially involved with and dominating every single military conflict on earth, and you’ve got the National Authoritarian Socialist Party of America running the show, so why not just complete the transition?
Very fricked up complicated situation all around and I don’t see how anyone can understand the big picture fully enough to make a good call. Way too many moving parts and the world has changed immeasurably in the last 8 years
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:19 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
UBI isn’t the same as welfare. Every time I see it touted in a practical application, it’s just welfare.
And that’s probably what we’re going to see. More welfare disguised as UBI.
And that’s probably what we’re going to see. More welfare disguised as UBI.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:20 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Are we willing to let people starve in the streets?
I'm not for it, but that's the only way UBI works.
You get rid of all entitlements. Everything. No food stamps, Section 8 housing, welfare, etc.
Give all people a guaranteed amount of money, not means tested. The U stands for UNIVERSAL.
If people want to earn more, they work. If you can't manage your money or waste it, etc., tough shite.
Private charities would still exist, but ZERO additional government help.
Of course, this would not be palatable to the left. They want UBI on top of everything else.
I've gone back and forth on this and I actually agree with you. I would be okay with UBI as long as it ended all other entitlements. Everyone gets a certain amount from the government, if you want more you have to work.
But you and me both know it'll never work like that. The only way it does if it other controls are enacted. So you say do away from Section 8 Housing? If the government does that you can guarantee they will enact rent control nationwide. Landlords will only be allowed to collect a certain amount of rent based off the layout (1 bedroom, 2 bedroom, etc.) You say do away with Food Stamps? There will be control on food prices, grocery stores will only be allowed to sell food at cost plus maybe a profit of say 50 cents, maybe a dollar. Once UBI comes in government will control every aspect of life.
This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:23 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
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TheNewOrleansSaints
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:25 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
If it happens, I will semi retire early and get a job driving a school bus for benefits.
You’ll find me at the lake catching crappie.
They’ll basically be turning a 6-figure taxpayer into a government mooch, but in the words of Merle Haggard “it’s time some guys like me have some fun”.
You’ll find me at the lake catching crappie.
They’ll basically be turning a 6-figure taxpayer into a government mooch, but in the words of Merle Haggard “it’s time some guys like me have some fun”.
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:27 am to PickupAutist
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UBI believers have been claiming it’s right around the corner for a decade now and that it is inevitable, but so far the robots haven’t taken over and nobody is any more willing to finance layabouts to sit at home to watch cartoons and smoke weed all day.
We also never had (at least in our lifetimes) a "pandemic" that essentially cost a lot of Americans their jobs overnight and have pushed many Americans to the brink.
I think a lot of people underestimate just how much this "pandemic" is going to change everything. While I don't want to believe it I have a hard time seeing us ever going back to the old normal.
This "pandemic" is going to become an inflection point similar to 9/11. We talk about our lives pre-9/11 and post 9/11. We'll end up talking about our lives pre-Covid-19 and post Covid-19 as well.
This post was edited on 10/9/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:28 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
No
Posted on 10/9/20 at 10:31 am to TheNewOrleansSaints
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That's when the government will have to force people to work.
Government enforced slavery...ain't that a bitch!
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