re: New Talking Point: DRUMPF only paid $750 in taxes in 2016 and 2017

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Correct. He just based his campaign on business skills that would translate to governing skills, but it turns out he doesn’t have skills in business aside from branding and self-promotion which in office have translated to demagoguery.

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I have yet to see a single post from you in this thread that isn’t pure speculation. It’s pretty pathetic. Let me guess. You believed in russiagate and that the fisa warrants were legit? Have I summed up your stupidity correctly?

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He didn't make any money, he donated his entire paycheck.

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He had paid no income taxes at all in 10 of the previous 15 years

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Generous guy. Been donating for many years . Even before he was in office

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The rich guys collectively have more money those 47% collectively though.

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Long Way from LA. You are wasting your breath. The only thing you learn from this forum is how the echo-chamber thinks.

#WhereIsTheActualTaxForm

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The chart you posted along side the one below buttresses my point.

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It does no such thing. It shows “the rich” (“millionaires and billionaires”) do not have the majority of taxable income.

Your chart hand waves about wealth. Which is silly, since we don’t (for damn good reasons) tax wealth.

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I think this suboptimal.

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Why?

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dunno. There is definitely that going on here. There are folks who see the world entirely through a defend Trump / attack libs frame. There are however some sharp folks on here that I might totally disagree but they have a reasoning for their positions. If I don't engage with them, then I'm in echo chamber myself, you know?

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The idea you can position yourself as an arbiter of what is reasonable is hysterical based on your posting.

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It does no such thing. It shows “the rich” (“millionaires and billionaires”) do not have the majority of taxable income.

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But they do have the bulk of the wealth and actual income. That such a large portion of their income is not taxable is exactly what I'm complaining about. That's a choice; Congress could just easily not allow for cut-away that allow the rich to pay less. I do not believe it is a good one.

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Your chart hand waves about wealth. Which is silly, since we don’t (for damn good reasons) tax wealth.

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Suffice to say, I disagree with this. Gotta tax something, why not wealth? More specifically, this is a choice we're making that preferences the wealthy and there's no good reason that we take it as a given that God ordained that choice.

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I think this suboptimal.
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Because it inevitably increases the tax burden of the middle class. If we're going to have a situation where most of the money is concentrated, then tax responsibilities should be a part of the reality as well.

I suppose my bottom line is that our government pays for a lot of stuff and neither party, when rubber hits the road, has ever been particularly interested in paying for less stuff. So it is about which class should pay more for the stuff we want to buy, it really is a zero sum game between the poor, the middle class, the rich, the super rich (who are getting richer) and nobody because we don't care about deficits. I think the rich and super rich should take on the burden. Who do you think should?

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The so called "Experts" apparently got their wish (fiction) and cannot put a finger on the column that says "Payoffs for Strippers" Cannot put a finger on the column that says "Overrated Value on properties" "Cannot put their finger on the column that says "Payoffs from the Russians"

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What does this have to do with anything I've written?

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Now, let's do Biden's tax returns ......Wonder how much he got from his share of the cash to Iran? What is Hunter passing to him from Ukraine and China? Did he get anything out of Uranium One? Maybe The Clinton Foundation? Let's not forget the payoffs to Health Insurance Companies for the "Affordable Care Act"

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What does this have to do with anything I've written?

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The Nancy BS about the 400 million in debt was already explained in 2016. Real Estate loses that were rightly claimed. But considering that Nancy downs four scoops and breaks Hairdressing shut down laws ....while forgetting past details. Nancy is an idiot.

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What does this have to do with anything I've written.


You're like a comical example of who sees the world entirely through a defend Trump / attack libs frame. As I've said a number of times already. If you read what I've written on this thread you'll note that the first sentence I wrote was that my assumption is that Trump did nothing illegal. And the second sentence I wrote is that my issue isn't about Trump at all but rather our current tax paradigm and then every subsequent post has been about our current tax paradigm and not Trump. So what are you even talking about?

The United States has a very progressive income tax structure, at least compared to Europe

The point I think you are failing to grasp is this:

There are so many more households making 50-100k than 400+k, that a small tax increase on the former will bring in way more revenue than a big increase on the latter

European nations fund their healthcare and other systems by VATs, and high marginal rates that kick in at low income levels