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re: Kenneth Walker WAS NOT a drug dealer
Posted on 9/25/20 at 7:33 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 9/25/20 at 7:33 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:I think that everyone "cares" when a child is killed or injured in a drive-by (for instance), just like they "care" when they see a starving child in Ethiopia in a UNICEF ad. The questions are (a) whether GOVERNMENT has a legitimate role in "doing something" and (b) if so, at what level and what is the SCOPE of that role.quote:No, the argument is that white people should care as much about black on black murder and demand change, actually enforcing laws, and getting dangerous criminals off the streets.quote:He ain't smart enough to understand that. His argument is "black people kill other black people so no one should care when police kill black people."quote:I keep seeing this "argument."
Amazing how no one gives a rats arse about the plethora of black people killed by other black people yet they poss (sic) and moan about this.
The PREMISE of "BLM" (I understand that many reject this premise, me included) is that law enforcement officers (as government actors) are behaving in a discriminatory manner toward Black suspects on an epic scale.
It is somewhat more the responsibility of government to control the actions of government actors/employees in this context than to control/prevent random crime by private actors.
"Woke" white liberals who bend the knee and kiss the ring of identity BLM politics don't give a shite about the lives of black kids randomly killed in drive by shootings, for example
Yours is a very Authoritarian analysis ... that GOVERNMENT should get out there and prevent people from harming one another. I see that as being the role of society, community, etcetera. Sure, government should enforce the laws, but THAT should be the END of governmental efforts to control behavior. And government IS enforcing the law. Just look at the prison population.
In a world of limited resources, I care FAR more about curtailing improper treatment of citizens by the government than about the way that people in other communities interact with one another.
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Posted on 9/25/20 at 9:56 am to tigerfoot
quote:in your opinion
There was no reason to be beating in the door at midnight over some low level drug peddler
quote:says the non leo, anonymous internet npc who is not involved in the situation at all and commenting from a distance
If there is more to it, they needed to be transparent much sooner
Posted on 9/25/20 at 9:58 am to AggieHank86
quote:my gosh you didn't even understand what i typed. there is no meaningful dialogue with you people because you can't understand simple, plain english due to your irrationality
Please link to any post in which a participant in this thread has supported either rioting or looting.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:05 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:nope and this is why this conversation is stupid. the people on the street are rioting precisely because they think police weren't efficacious in this, or any other, situation due to the color of the victims' skin and you are siding with those halfwits.
The riots and looting are likewise a wholly separate issue from any discussion about the efficacy of these dark-of-night, home invasions tactics used by LEO in this never-ending War on Drugs®.
quote:NO ONE is arguing this point
just because something is legal does not make it legitimate
quote:in your opinion. apparently, duly appointed judges disagree, as in this case
While these dynamic forced-entry raids are legal, they are wholly illegitimate and an assault on Constitutional due process
quote:that is your opinion, not a fact and given that these raids happen every day all across the country approved by leo's and elected officials, you would seem to be in an inadvisable position on the matter. perhaps you should run for office or at least get trained by leo's on these situations before commenting.
the outcome here demonstrates that these types of raids recklessly endanger both civilians and LEO
quote:an arbitrary distinction not based on fact
These types of raids should only be used in the most extreme situations when innocent life is in imminent danger
quote:is not perfect (even if he is right in this particular case)
Rand Paul
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:07 am to L1C4
quote:
I'm not licking boots. I'm tired of people posting bull shite
Well....go back to looting Target?
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:08 am to the808bass
quote:precisely what i said. clerical error. i described it exactly right and people are still conflating that and the raid itself which is a waste of time
Those aren’t “clerical errors.” That’s willful lying to get a warrant
quote:i don't think anyone is arguing this point either and i have commented on profiling quite a few times. a lot of people don't understand it
I do think that the differences in culture aren’t zero and may have contributed to the cops view of Taylor.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:22 am to bfniii
By all means, let's look at the sequence of posts, shall we?
You are correct in observing that ONE of us has an ... imperfect ... command of the written English language.
quote:You were replying to Culyer, who criticized the "critical thinking" skills of certain posters on this forum. In essence, you said that Culyer and those posting in support of the same position (presumably me) were "siding with rioting, looting animals." I asked you to link anywhere that Culyer (or his companions here) had done so. You responded that you meant something other than the plain words that you typed.quote:my gosh you didn't even understand what i typed. there is no meaningful dialogue with you people because you can't understand simple, plain english due to your irrationalityquote:Please link to any post in which a participant in this thread has supported either rioting or looting.quote:this coming from the people siding with rioting, looting animals.quote:You're asking for critical thinking. You won't find much here. Just rabid dogsquote:We protect the rights of the innocent PRECISELY BY protecting the rights of the guilty as well.
I support the police (in general) and frick the rioters. But, the very idea that "so what if the police mess up and a 'thug' dies" is okay is frightening.
You are correct in observing that ONE of us has an ... imperfect ... command of the written English language.
This post was edited on 9/25/20 at 10:56 am
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:30 am to bfniii
quote:Typing "teh" rather than "the" is a clerical error. Typing "File 390567w3" rather than "file x0232444" because you were looking at the wrong manila folder is a clerical error. Typing the wrong address because you were looking at the wrong report MIGHT be a "clerical error."quote:precisely what i said. clerical error. i described it exactly right and people are still conflating that and the raid itself which is a waste of time
Those aren’t “clerical errors.” That’s willful lying to get a warrant
Typing "Breonna Taylor had installed surveillance cameras in order to detect the approach of law enforcement personnel" (paraphrased rather than finding the damned affidavit yet again) in the complete absence of ANY evidence that she had ever done any such thing? That is NOT a "clerical error." It is a blatant, fraudulent misrepresentation.
Or are you arguing that the officer did not REALIZE that he included this paragraph when he copied identical language from a different affidavit for the ex-boyfriend's home? Just a big "oopsie." If so, your words were something less than a picture of clarity.
This post was edited on 9/25/20 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:35 am to L1C4
quote:
Kenneth Walker
Kentucky
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:44 am to L1C4
He used a Trap Queen as a shield. That's pretty heartless.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:45 am to bfniii
quote:
precisely what i said. clerical error. i described it exactly right and people are still conflating that and the raid itself which is a waste of time
1) that’s not a clerical error.
2) if the predicate for the raid is shite, the raid becomes even more tragic than it already was
And it explains, in large part, the $12M settlement
Posted on 9/25/20 at 10:59 am to the808bass
The separate warrants for each building used copy and paste for the reasoning for the no-knock raid.
At best, that’s lazy clerical work.
At worst, it demonstrates a willingness to lie.
The judge shouldn’t have signed off on 4 separate warrants written like that.
Lazy judge. Lazy police.
No Knock Warrant for Breonna Taylor Was Illegal: Radley Balko
So he had Amazon send his shoes and clothes to Taylor’s home and now the jagoffs on this board are all like “Breonna Taylor was a known drug dealer.” And also, “the press is lying about Breonna Taylor.”
At best, that’s lazy clerical work.
At worst, it demonstrates a willingness to lie.
The judge shouldn’t have signed off on 4 separate warrants written like that.
Lazy judge. Lazy police.
No Knock Warrant for Breonna Taylor Was Illegal: Radley Balko
quote:
In the affidavit for the no-knock warrant for Taylor’s home, a detective claimed to have consulted with a postal inspector, who confirmed that Glover had been “receiving packages” at Taylor’s address. But the Louisville postal inspector has since said that he was never consulted by the officers and that there was nothing suspicious about the packages. A source with knowledge of the case has since told me that the packages contained clothes and shoes.
So he had Amazon send his shoes and clothes to Taylor’s home and now the jagoffs on this board are all like “Breonna Taylor was a known drug dealer.” And also, “the press is lying about Breonna Taylor.”
This post was edited on 9/25/20 at 11:01 am
Posted on 9/25/20 at 11:13 am to tigerpawl
quote:What about Saudi Arabia if you’re a woman? What about blue laws?
Religions and cults don't invade my space or demand that I ask their permission to go shopping.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 11:16 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:yet another instance of you not understanding what you are responding to. your idiotic statement was that people trying to be reasonable are "hating" on the victims which is completely not the case. it's something you made up in your stupid head because your stupid take is a losing proposition. if you want to not have a losing stance, try being able to accurate reproduce what the alternatives are saying, not some moronic strawman mischaracterization
Reproduce the alternative?
quote:no it is not a fact and you don't even understand what the word means. if he did something wrong, which he might have, then he's absolutely not a "victim." it's like you don't even understand english and you certainly don't have enough facts to call him a victim
A poor guy was shot in his own abode. This doesn't mean someone is necessarily murderously at fault. But it DOES mean he is a clear victim of a situation gone badly wrong. That is ALL FACT.
quote:you don't need to frame the discussion to know that being a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER is dangerous. it's dangerous by definition nerd and that's why i told you in the other thread you don't need "statistics"
frame a discussion
Posted on 9/25/20 at 11:22 am to bfniii
quote:
an arbitrary distinction not based on fact
You mean like "dangerous"?Posted on 9/25/20 at 11:27 am to bfniii
quote:
yet another instance of you not understanding what you are responding to. your idiotic statement was that people trying to be reasonable are "hating" on the victims which is completely not the case. it's something you made up in your stupid head because your stupid take is a losing proposition. if you want to not have a losing stance, try being able to accurate reproduce what the alternatives are saying, not some moronic strawman mischaracterization
Says the guy accusing people left and right of "siding with the rioters". quote:A law-abiding citizen was shot in his own home. That is a tragedy and he is a victim of the tragedy. That is saying NOTHING about blame or criminality. If you can't admit this absurdly simple, baseline fact, then you are hopeless. Of course, we kind of already know that.
no it is not a fact and you don't even understand what the word means. if he did something wrong, which he might have, then he's absolutely not a "victim." it's like you don't even understand english and you certainly don't have enough facts to call him a victim
quote:I mean, at this point, I'm assuming you have a singular goal in life: generating untold riches of un-self-aware irony. I'm happy to report that you are a champion, at least in this regard.
you don't need to frame the discussion to know that being a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER is dangerous. it's dangerous by definition nerd and that's why i told you in the other thread you don't need "statistics"
Posted on 9/25/20 at 12:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
He’s just dumb.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 12:29 pm to L1C4
quote:
Breonna Taylor's ex bf was the drug dealer.
Walker is a licensed gun owner.
With a ccw permit. You don't get that if your a convicted felon.
Also he did not shoot the cop through the door as I have read in other threads.
Not sure you have so many downvotes for stating the truth.
I believe justice was served very well in this case all things considered.
Posted on 9/25/20 at 2:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:i didn't say there was sympathy. you don't even read my posts and then you try to respond with ignorant replies
Man, you are obsessed with BLM. Not a single person I've seen has signaled any sympathy with rioters and looters over this case - and yet you keep telling us that they are. It's truly bizarre.
quote:me calling out instances of emotion based opinion is not a strawman
bone-dry strawmen
you are all over the place and your posts suck
Posted on 9/25/20 at 2:57 pm to EarlyCuyler3
quote:no it is not. it has to do with all the garbage being justified by this case, et al. that's the whole point and the leo critics keep missing it
This is such a cop out
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