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re: Everything isn't political or social.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:58 pm to bod312
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:58 pm to bod312
Hell yes there is systematic racism:
Red lining
Voters suppression
Police harressment/brutally
Job discrimination
Character defamation
Excessive criminal sentencing
And I know this because I am black!!! I have experienced it. How do you undermine a person who has experienced what you say don't exist???
Red lining
Voters suppression
Police harressment/brutally
Job discrimination
Character defamation
Excessive criminal sentencing
And I know this because I am black!!! I have experienced it. How do you undermine a person who has experienced what you say don't exist???
Posted on 9/10/20 at 10:59 pm to cardee2003
Is that because of a SYSTEM or because of poor decisions by an individual or individuals?
Posted on 9/10/20 at 11:01 pm to cardee2003
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Hell yes there is systematic racism:
Redlining still exists? I don’t believe you. “Voter suppression” is bullshite and the rest of that stuff happens to everybody. Look at individuals and not race or you’ll just be stuck.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 11:01 pm to cardee2003
quote:
Hell yes there is systematic racism:
Red lining
Voters suppression
Police harressment/brutally
Job discrimination
Character defamation
Excessive criminal sentencing
And I know this because I am black!!! I have experienced it. How do you undermine a person who has experienced what you say don't exist???
So all the millions of successful Black Americans somehow overcame your claims of systemic racism? Nigerian immigrants who are very successful in America somehow were passed over by America’s systemic racism suppression?
Posted on 9/10/20 at 11:07 pm to cardee2003
Red lining - examples in 2020?
Voters suppression - You mean when the black panthers were out in 2008? If by suppression you mean that a voter has to prove their identity, then are you surmising that minorities can't afford an id? I would need to know more about specifically what systemic racism are you bringing up.
Police harressment/brutally - Show me the laws that provide different rules based on the race of the suspect. 1 racist cop doesn't mean there is systemic racism. There is actually 0 evidence of race being a factor in all of the famous cases recently. There is no evidence that cops kill blacks at a higher rate than whites.
Job discrimination - yes, see my racial quotas from corporations, it is 100% acceptable to hire minorities over white people because they are a minority and i have worked at multiple companies that have published racial quotas (that is racist against white people 100%) but it a company would get sued out of business if they had a goal to hire a minimum number of white people
Character defamation - please explain? It is hard to defame a character if there is no nefarious background.
Excessive criminal sentencing - I still haven't seen where there are separate sentencing laws based on race of the offender. Again please stick to legit systemic racism not potentially 1 racist person doing a bad act.
Voters suppression - You mean when the black panthers were out in 2008? If by suppression you mean that a voter has to prove their identity, then are you surmising that minorities can't afford an id? I would need to know more about specifically what systemic racism are you bringing up.
Police harressment/brutally - Show me the laws that provide different rules based on the race of the suspect. 1 racist cop doesn't mean there is systemic racism. There is actually 0 evidence of race being a factor in all of the famous cases recently. There is no evidence that cops kill blacks at a higher rate than whites.
Job discrimination - yes, see my racial quotas from corporations, it is 100% acceptable to hire minorities over white people because they are a minority and i have worked at multiple companies that have published racial quotas (that is racist against white people 100%) but it a company would get sued out of business if they had a goal to hire a minimum number of white people
Character defamation - please explain? It is hard to defame a character if there is no nefarious background.
Excessive criminal sentencing - I still haven't seen where there are separate sentencing laws based on race of the offender. Again please stick to legit systemic racism not potentially 1 racist person doing a bad act.
Posted on 9/10/20 at 11:09 pm to cardee2003
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And I know this because I am black!!! I have experienced it. How do you undermine a person who has experienced what you say don't exist???
Do yourself a huge favor and get as far away from the Dim party and their twisted ideology as you can. The Republican party released the iron shackles from your Ancestors arms and legs and the Dim party promptly enslaved your minds.....wake the frick up friend!
Posted on 9/10/20 at 11:25 pm to cardee2003
wow, I have a lot of thumbs downs but no response..... Again interesting???
Posted on 9/10/20 at 11:28 pm to cardee2003
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Red lining
Show me where that has occurred in the last couple decades?
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Voters suppression
Give me an example of “voter suppression (don’t use gerrymandering because Dems are worse about that).
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Police harressment/brutally
Once again where is there a systemic issue?
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Job discrimination
Absolutely utter bull shite! I can give you a specific example within the past 2 years where my entire division was told 50% of future promotion would be diverse....not the most qualified.
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Character defamation
I don’t even know how this could be systemic.
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Excessive criminal sentencing
Actually agree, thank Joe and Hillary for the “super predator” label and Obama for criminal justice reform....wait that was Trump
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:27 am to cardee2003
quote:
Red lining
Voters suppression
Police harressment/brutally
Job discrimination
Character defamation
Excessive criminal sentencing
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I have experienced it.
Decades ago, perhaps.
But YOU have experienced a world where black people are begged to vote, where black people are hired and promoted solely for the color of their skin, where famous people who are half-black or less identify as black because the privilege that comes with it is good for their political, acting, or business careers. A world where not only are you given preferential treatment for college admissions and scholarships, but where you, as a black man are given race exclusive scholarships as well. A world where you, as a black man get preferred selection for government contracts. You are not oppressed.
Your political overlords have fed you a lie of systemic racism and you ate it up. Now there is nothing in your heart but hate. It reminds me of the Muslim guys I've worked with. Didn't matter where they were from, Syria, Palestine, Iraq, and even Pakistan - if something bad happened to them, or even disagreed with them, they were always "fricking Jews". It's just what they were taught.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:48 am to cardee2003
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Job discrimination
Like a affirmative action or government contract quotas?
Yeah, let's end that bull shite right now.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:45 am to cardee2003
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Red lining - bullshite. It’s outlawed.
Voters suppression - Are you too poor or too stupid to get an ID?
Police harressment/brutally - Happens to all races.
Job discrimination - Affirmation action for minority hiring and promotions?
Character defamation - Happens to all races. Evil white men.
Excessive criminal sentencing - Prior record = longer sentences.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:01 pm to cardee2003
quote:your experiences are not uniquely black
I know this because I am black!!! I have experienced it.
Posted on 9/11/20 at 12:16 pm to cardee2003
I don't want to be disrespectful but I would like to respond to your claim.
red lining While this may still exist, I would think that this is more about economics than race. I also think that a lot of the black/white arguments I hear are really about wealth. More on that on another day.
voter suppression I know that this was common a long time ago. I saw it. But again, in my experience and I am somewhat involved in politics, this is not really happening now. Voter suppression is often the argument when people refuse to make it easier to vote without ID or without a physical presence at the poll. But that is more about a resistance to change, not suppression.
police brutality I know that there are some police officers who should never have been given a gun and I know that some white officers mistrust black people because they more often have to deal with black people who commit crimes, but I do not think that police as a whole pick on black people. In my experience, my black clients are often more defiant, less likely to want to be ordered around, and less trusting of police, which tends to lead to more negative engagements. I suggest that better pay and more training of the police would solve a lot of this.
job discrimination I just have to completely disagree here. I believe that the system actually discriminates most against whites and asians but is designed to favor black people.
Character defamation I can't see that as real. Claims like that are a case by case, not racially based, at least system wide.
excessive criminal sentencing I deal with the justice system every day. I see no real sentencing discrimination. A large portion of the prosecutors and judges I deal with are black people. Are you saying that those people discriminate against black people? Each defendant has a trial and a chance for a review of an excessive sentence. If there is a problem with the system, it is again that it is wealth based. The rich can afford the best lawyers and most complete defenses. The poor get what they are given. It just happens that a lot of black people are poor, but poor whites get treated the same way.
red lining While this may still exist, I would think that this is more about economics than race. I also think that a lot of the black/white arguments I hear are really about wealth. More on that on another day.
voter suppression I know that this was common a long time ago. I saw it. But again, in my experience and I am somewhat involved in politics, this is not really happening now. Voter suppression is often the argument when people refuse to make it easier to vote without ID or without a physical presence at the poll. But that is more about a resistance to change, not suppression.
police brutality I know that there are some police officers who should never have been given a gun and I know that some white officers mistrust black people because they more often have to deal with black people who commit crimes, but I do not think that police as a whole pick on black people. In my experience, my black clients are often more defiant, less likely to want to be ordered around, and less trusting of police, which tends to lead to more negative engagements. I suggest that better pay and more training of the police would solve a lot of this.
job discrimination I just have to completely disagree here. I believe that the system actually discriminates most against whites and asians but is designed to favor black people.
Character defamation I can't see that as real. Claims like that are a case by case, not racially based, at least system wide.
excessive criminal sentencing I deal with the justice system every day. I see no real sentencing discrimination. A large portion of the prosecutors and judges I deal with are black people. Are you saying that those people discriminate against black people? Each defendant has a trial and a chance for a review of an excessive sentence. If there is a problem with the system, it is again that it is wealth based. The rich can afford the best lawyers and most complete defenses. The poor get what they are given. It just happens that a lot of black people are poor, but poor whites get treated the same way.
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