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re: Chase Made the Right Call; Shelvin is Making a Mistake
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:16 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:16 pm to lsufball19
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It is not set in stone that he’s the top WR taken in the 2021 draft.
I would say it's a better chance that he is than isn't, just like there is a better chance he would've gotten through this season healthy instead of injured, but because of the former, why risk it in such a weird season?
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Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:18 pm to Broski
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I would say it's a better chance that he is than isn't
Why? He’s not a generational athletic freak. He’s not going to test better than everyone else at the combine. His mock position is based on production. If those two kids at Alabama have huge seasons w a new QB, I guarantee you there is a chance Chase drops. Right now Chase has one huge season w a record breaking #1 draft pick at QB
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:19 pm to lsufball19
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So he should have declared for the draft after the 2019 season was complete? Should all players do the same who have big sophomore seasons?
If that’s what they want to do, yes. Imagine being offered a job for millions but told “sorry, you have to wait another year”. The NFL is a job. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s the only job that doesn’t require any type of degree that puts such a requirement of being “3 years removed from high school” on it. It’s a ridiculous rule and is completely against the nature of capitalism.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:19 pm to lsufball19
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lsufball19
So what do you want to bet that Chase is taken within the first 15 picks of the draft?
I mean neither of us can prove something that's going to happen in the future, just going off of what we see and feel.
How confident are you?
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:20 pm to GeauxLSU4
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Shelvin had everything to gain by playing this year and showing scouts he can keep his weight down. Being out of sight this year will cost him in the draft
Yep. There will be players with less god-given talent who move past him on draft boards.
Unlike Chase, Shelvin is not a can't miss guy right now. He's a "supremely talented but the jury is still out" guy and he's resting his case without putting on any new evidence.
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unless he has an incredible pro day
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showing scouts he can keep his weight down
If you are a betting man, what do you think.
Look, these agents don't give a flying frick if their client signs a $15 million contract or an $8 million contract. They want someone who will sign A contract that gets them paid their 10%. If I am an agent and can convince Shelvin to come out now and sign with me, I am totally fine taking $800K now then letting him work out his eligibility and having to compete with other agents for $1.5 million. Bird in the hand baby.
I just wish these fricking agents would get the phone numbers of the players in Tuscaloosa. Jesus they are scared to death to leave - even if literally 1/3 of their starters would be drafted ahead of Shelvin right now.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:21 pm to lsufball19
There have been 5 WRs taken in the top 10 since 2013 and fewer in the top 5. All of those players were either athletic freaks because of size or speed. Chase is neither, he won’t go top 5 and there’s a chance he isn’t the top WR taken. People all of the sudden think stats is how the NFL determines draft positions and that’s just flat out incorrect.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:23 pm to Broski
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So what do you want to bet that Chase is taken within the first 15 picks of the draft?
When did I say he wouldn’t. But the difference in guaranteed money in the 5th overall and 15th is about double
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:23 pm to Madking
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There have been 5 WRs taken in the top 10 since 2013 and fewer in the top 5. All of those players were either athletic freaks because of size or speed. Chase is neither, he won’t go top 5 and there’s a chance he isn’t the top WR taken. People all of the sudden think stats is how the NFL determines draft positions and that’s just flat out incorrect.
I don’t think we disagree. This was a great chance for Chase to solidify himself as the top WR in 2021 and he’s chancing that by not playing while some of his direct competition is playing
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:24 pm to lsufball19
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When did I say he wouldn’t. But the difference in guaranteed money in the 5th overall and 15th is about double
Sure, but how does playing another season guarantee that your stock will rise?
See: Delpit, Grant
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:24 pm to ROPO
Both are quitters. Not hard to understand.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:25 pm to Broski
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Sure, but how does playing another season guarantee that your stock will rise?
See: Delpit, Grant
There are no guarantees in life. So why was Chase making the right decision?
Not to quote Saban, but everyone has the opportunity to go out and play to improve their stock. Chase has made the choice to hope for the best that his 2020 season was enough to do that
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:25 pm to Game2620
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ou do realize that Chase could fall because other guys played and showed improvement? He won’t have game film for a year. It could turn around and bite him. The NFL is a “what have done lately” league. Opting out is a risk that could cost him substantial money.
No doubt. I noted that in a post earlier today. But there is no way he's falling out of the first round.
Shelvin could literally go from a likely 3rd, with a shot at the first or second round to literally a day three draft pick. Shelvin is making an extraordinarily bad bet in my opinion.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:27 pm to lsufball19
We don’t, and I think Chase could be a very good player but as far as a prospect his value doesn’t warrant a top 5 pick. He’s 6 feet tall, maybe shorter, and he came to LSU as a 4.7 speed guy. He played in the most prolific offense ever with one of the greatest QBs in college history and wasn’t even the #1 target. I get it everyone’s in love with him because we’re LSU fans but the truth is he’s got a lot to prove to the next level.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:27 pm to ROPO
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Shelvin could literally go from a likely 3rd, with a shot at the first or second round to literally a day three draft pick. Shelvin is making an extraordinarily bad bet in my opinion.
Yep and given his history of staying in shape, this could ruin his career.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:28 pm to Madking
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We don’t, and I think Chase could be a very good player but as far as a prospect his value doesn’t warrant a top 5 pick. He’s 6 feet tall, maybe shorter, and he came to LSU as a 4.7 speed guy. He played in the most prolific offense ever with one of the greatest QBs in college history and wasn’t even the #1 target. I get it everyone’s in love with him because we’re LSU fans but the truth is he’s got a lot to prove to the next level.
I’m still failing to see where we’ve been in disagreement. People keep saying he’s a top 5 lock. I’ve disagreed every time that’s been posted for the many of the same reasons you’re saying
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:29 pm to lsufball19
We agree bro
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:30 pm to lsufball19
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So why was Chase making the right decision?
Where did I say he was? I'm just laughing at the people are saying he unequivocally made the wrong decision.
They don't actually know that, they are just melting because they lost one of the best WR this program has produced.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:31 pm to lsufball19
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Ok let’s say Waddle and Smith have monster seasons and Chase drops to the third WR taken
Let's say the COVID issues result in a drastically shortened season.
Let's say Devonta Smith or Jaylen Waddle break their legs in a gruesome injury in the first or second game and, due to COVID, they cancel football the next week.
Chse is bigger than both and more accomplished than both.
My point is that Chase is not making a bad decision at all. He is derisking his situation.
Even if your hypos play out, he is trading a complete elimination of risk for going from "frick you money" to "suck my dick money." Shelvin is trading "not bad if you show out money" for "gosh I hope you make the team money" while giving up potentially "suck my dick money"
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:32 pm to ROPO
Honestly, if Smith was ever going to be a top 10 pick idk why he wasn’t last years
It’s not like his huge season came out of no where. He was good in 2018.
Idk what the knock on him is.
It’s not like his huge season came out of no where. He was good in 2018.
Idk what the knock on him is.
Posted on 8/31/20 at 7:39 pm to SammyTiger
Devonta? He's 5'10 and maybe 180 soaking wet. He completely relies on his speed. He's not yet a precise route runner like Chase.
Can he really play a 16 game NFL season?
Right now, if all three are on the board, I draft Chase. If only the Bama clowns are on the board, I draft Waddle.
Can he really play a 16 game NFL season?
Right now, if all three are on the board, I draft Chase. If only the Bama clowns are on the board, I draft Waddle.
This post was edited on 8/31/20 at 7:40 pm
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