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re: Why does fentanyl even exist

Posted on 8/8/20 at 6:59 am to
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 6:59 am to
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Fentanyl should have no use outside of the hospital setting


Agree in general, though I'd add ASCs and home hospice exceptions.
Posted by CoCo311
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Member since Jun 2012
16770 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:00 am to
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Yeah I don’t get it. I’ve had hydrocodone and couldn’t feel my face from the buzz/high.
Morphine is stupid too. Made me feel like a crackhead one second and drowsy the next and then back and forth. Told the nurse to yank that stuff out and just give me Advil.

ETA- I did enjoy the hydrocodone. I’m not some weirdo who doesn’t like to party
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If you asked the nurse to take you off the morphine and give you Advil, you definitely don’t like to party.
Posted by pecanridge
South
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:05 am to
It’s a titratable yet powerful narcotic for pain control during surgical procedures without the nausea and itching of most IV narcotics. The other choices all have some side effects such as Demerol- seizures, Dilaudid- longer acting but not as precise in titrating to effect, Morphine sometimes causes chest wall rigidity and makes breathing seem difficult. All cause respiratory depression and can be particularly risky if a person has sleep apnea. Fentanyl not as long lasting so can send pt home or to hospital room without as much apnea risk.
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 7:06 am
Posted by Big Block Stingray
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:16 am to
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Fentanyl should have no use outside of the hospital setting


I think it's appropriate in the prehospital setting in the presence of major trauma.

Many EMS/FD providers have removed morphine and replaced it with ketamine for minor analgesic and fentanyl for major.
Posted by Vinny V
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:40 am to
I use it in my dental office sometimes for iv sedation patients. (Not me the crna does. And not for all just some. It depends on the length of the procedure I am doing). My wife just had a baby. Her epidural was bupivacaine and fentanyl. It has plenty of medical uses.
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 7:46 am
Posted by Vinny V
Kenna Brah
Member since Jun 2011
3840 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:45 am to
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The creators of OxyContin were put in prison for lying about how addictive it was


No they weren’t lol. They just changed the controlled release formula. And continued to profit billions of dollars. Although they did file for bankruptcy last year because of all the lawsuits. But that just got all the suites stayed.
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
30328 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 7:55 am to
My mom was a nurse for 35 years and everytime she see's it on the news, she says that she must have given 1000's of doses of the stuff in the recovery room at the local hospital. It's diluted and they know the potency of it.

These people on the street don't and that's why it kills them. It's cheaper than heroin and smaller so they can mix some with BC powder (or whatever the hell they cut it with) and sell it as heroin. Junkies are junkies, even if they knew the dose they's still try to get as fricked up and as close to the line of death as possible. That's the whole point of being a junkie, always chasing an even diminishing high.

What's crazy is that I am active in the recovery community (for the record, I've never even seen heroin or fentanyl) but I know a lot of people that overdose and story is almost always the same. They sober up for a period, either rehab or jail usually, then when they get fricked up after a period of abstinence, the levels on the street have changed and/or their tolarance is gone and boom, dead as doorknob. Their 'friends' steal their heroin and leave or more often, they're by themselves because they are still in the hiding it stage again.
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 7:57 am
Posted by surprisewitness
Littleton, CO
Member since Apr 2013
561 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:07 am to
If you like fentanyl, you should try carfentanil, it's about 100 times more potent. A lethal dose is about 20 micrograms. Used as an elephant tranquilizer but of course is now on the streets.

Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
19515 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:11 am to
The same reason corona virus exists


the Freaking Chinese BAW!!
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33614 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:17 am to
When I had a kidney infection in June, Fentanyl was the only thing the hospital gave me that touched the pain.
This post was edited on 8/8/20 at 8:42 am
Posted by choppadocta
Louisiana
Member since May 2014
1882 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:24 am to
A decent % of the population is morphine resistant, I'm one of them. Doesn't work on me. Had it given to me twice and both times it did absolutely nothing for the pain.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
99721 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:31 am to
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Which is?


I’ve had it for sedation for upper GI endoscopies. It apparently has a lower incidence of nausea post-op, which is helpful when you’ve had a esophageal biopsy or procedure that could have some significant complications if you threw up afterward.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33614 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 8:32 am to
Interesting. Didn’t know that but morphine did nothing for my pain, either.
Posted by HollierThanThou
Member since Jan 2012
6209 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:11 am to
It’s used for time travel.

I just remember the anesthesiologist saying count down from 10.....“10...” and before I got to 9 the surgery was over.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48348 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:19 am to
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So the military liked to make lollipops out of it, ok. BFD.

So that’s worth 100s of thousand dead people?



It seems like a better idea would be for people to not inject shite into their bodies that they buy off some drug dealer on the street when they have no way of knowing what’s in it.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21575 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:24 am to
You can tell someone who has never been in real "10" pain.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21575 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:45 am to
I talked to a friend that recently had a heart attack. He told me he stayed in "10" pain the entire time. He said, "I kept telling the doc, hey, I'm in 10 pain gimme something", and that he had a big argument with the doc, etc. I was thinking at the time, you could have a conversation in 10 pain? I remember not being able to say "Jesus" because it was 2 syllables. I kept saying "God" instead. I guess its different for everybody. I respond well to all of the pain killers, if given.
Posted by The Hurricane
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Aug 2011
8036 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:53 am to
When my dad was in the hospital, he would be seeing things all over the room from fentanyl.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43545 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 9:58 am to
Medical use only with major surgeries so they can recover
Morphine was used on my child for heart surgery
Then they had to ween her off
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9796 posts
Posted on 8/8/20 at 10:28 am to
Both have their places medically. I knew a few OR happy meds nurses who ended up having a problem with fentanyl. They'd just put it in a vial and sniff it. They were only caught because of taking some of what they claimed were giving to patients in OR.
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