re: Early morning weekday old men pace of play

Two separate carts it’s really easy. Ready golf so doesn’t matter who is out. We have range finders so it takes no time to select a club. Not marking the ball on the green. Know the course so putts don’t need a lot of time to read. We will pull the flag if we are close but not from far. Yeah, 6-7 minutes average is pretty reasonable for two guys with no waits. Y’all act like a par 4 is a mile long.

ETA: I take a practice swing on every single shot fwiw. And my buddy and I are single handicappers. Both typically break 40 over the 9. An hour is completely reasonable.

I’ve never seen the old man running crowd be good. And how could you ever know, they hardly ever putt out. That’s where a lot of strokes are lost.

And like I’ve said I’ve never cared what’s on someone’s scorecard, I don’t care if they give themself a 3 footer. I’m not playing random people I’m paired with for money. It’s just funny every time I hear “you’re not gonna give me that” or “I thought you would say don’t bring your putter!” I just find it amusing that these dudes are improving their score by not finishing out. Yes I always putt out so if that makes us take an extra couple minutes so be it. That’s the one I’ve gotten more grief about, putting in the 2-3 footer that I know most of these “good golfers” would miss probably 30-40% of the time. Let’s be realistic most golfers, especially the ones who play speed golf, are not taking honest scores. I play golf pretty damn near by the book, and I cant tell you how many times I’ve been playing well (much better than the guys I’d be playing with who are picking up etc.) had the honor on the tee every hole, and then we get to the end of the round and their score is magically better than mine or within a stroke or two

Also I’ve never timed myself through a round of golf for how fast I can play. I don’t give myself a pat on the back for finishing faster 3 hours seems about right to me though. Hour and a half a side. Then again I live in California where there’s distance between each hole and actual scenery implemented into the course. Maybe you guys are just stacked up holes side by side one tee next to the green after another. That isn’t like a lot of courses I play. I usually have to drive to the next tee lol.

So yes while I “hate” the guys who try and play in two hours, if your beefing on the word choice then fine. They don’t bother me to a point of that large of degree. I’m more amused from afar, and annoyed if it somehow affects me (which it usually doesn’t, again I’m not the type of golfer “slowing people down” behind me) If I’m grouped with them I usually let them go on ahead or if someone’s barreling down behind me I’ll let them go through. I also rarely play by myself anymore, so depends on how good the people I’m playing with are.

I’m all for playing faster than slower, golf shouldn’t take 5 hours. I’m on board p, I hate that, but to my original point. I’ve blocked out 4 hours or whatever for my day to play a round of golf. The problem isn’t with me putting out or whatever and expecting to take golf as long as it was set out to take. If that’s 4 hours or 3 hours fine (I doubt you could play honest golf in 2 hours but again I’ve never thought to try) The problem is with the guy who is trying to halve the time of the sport because he thinks he can do it faster by cutting a few corners. In no other area of life is that considered cool we don’t cater to the lowest common denominator. But in golf so many people cheat and lie on their scorecard that we’ve just come to accept it I suppose.

If you want to play golf in 2 hours, no problem. hit up your local executive course. That’s where you belong. That’s why they invented those

Certainly isn’t a strawman argument. A “speed” golfer (or just casuual in general) is probably giving themself like 5 strokes just in puts I’d imagine per round and that’s probably low.

And I’ve seen your 6 mine per hole where you don’t line up putts. Hey if 2.5 hour golf works for you and you’re playing honest golf (or not) that’s cool with me.

I’m also basing this on the one time I played solo and realized it only took 3 hours at a super long 7400 yard course with a rating of like 145 and plenty of distance between holes lol maybe if I played at traditional stacked muni maybe it could be 2.5 hours. I don’t know. I don’t have a muni like that that it’s wide open.

I’d much rather have the 2.5 hour guy on the course than the 5 hour guy. But don’t beef at the guy who is playing to the time it “should” take and playing by the rules, lining up putts, finishing out etc.

Again if you want to play in 2.5 hours and your bothered by people taking the correct amount of time, the sport thought of you already. Go play your exec course.

My boys live in argyle. We play on saturdays at Robson ranch. 3 nines, courses in great shape, no wait. Usually play in less than 4.

I personally don’t have any beef with what you’ve said or how you play. Don’t know why you’re taking my points and holding them against yourself. I’m fine with people playing fast if it doesn’t involve me. Like I said, I’m all for fast play over slow play.

I’m arguing against the idea that you’re putting forth.

As others said. Golf takes how long it takes. I’m out there to have fun and I’ve already set aside a certain amount of time to play in my day, if I finish faster that’s cool. I’m not mad at myself playing in under 4 hours.

People who suck and make golf take 5 hours are bad for the game, but the idea (not you personally) that people who take 3 hours by themself is somehow a black eye on pace of play is ridiculous. If you’re mad that the guy in front of you played in under 4 hours and you still feel like you were “waiting” or “held up” then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.


Golf takes however long it takes. I have a hard time believing honest golf could be done in under 2.5-3 hours, but maybe it could on a short course that had nobody on it. If that happens to me and I just happen to play that fast, then so be it. But I’m happy to have golf take between 3-4 hours no matter how many people are in my group or if I’m playing solo.

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Golf takes how long it takes. I’m out there to have fun and I’ve already set aside a certain amount of time to play in my day, if I finish faster that’s cool.

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I said in my very first response to you that if I'm in a twosome out on a saturday morning, I fully expect to wait plenty without being let through. It's my expectation going in and I'll enjoy the round.

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but the idea (not you personally) that people who take 3 hours by themself is somehow a black eye on pace of play is ridiculous.

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I didn't call it a black eye. It's simply slow as frick for one person and I think that's a reasonable reaction. If that same person was in a group of 4 with others who play at that exact same pace, you are looking at 5-6 hour rounds, especially if they are sharing carts.

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If you’re mad that the guy in front of you played in under 4 hours and you still feel like you were “waiting” or “held up” then YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.

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I'll refer you to my statement above where I referenced my first reply to you. My expectations depend on the situation.

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I have a hard time believing honest golf could be done in under 2.5-3 hours, but maybe it could on a short course that had nobody on it.

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My only point that you seem to be stuck on is that a person alone can easily finish a round in about 2-2.5 hours. Playing real golf. Not rushing. 7000+ yards. It's entirely reasonable. I've done it while waiting to play through... I've done it while even hitting extra shots while waiting to play through.

Don’t get me wrong. I rarely play in 2 hours because I’m playing in a group on the weekends usually. That’s 3.5-4 hours. . And if it’s during the week, it’s an afternoon 9 which is only about an hour.

This is big. A lot of time is wasted if you don't know the course well. Especially on the greens. If you play the same place a lot, putting gets a lot easier.

The State Am was played as 3somes. Everyone taking their time on every shot. 7100 yards. And those rounds were barely at 4 hours. Now, these are typically better golfers, but still plenty of scores in the 80s and again, every shot/putt was analyzed. A few kids out there walking too.