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Caught Dunkirk on Paramount last night, why didn't he just land the

Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:47 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:47 am
plane in the water and wait on rescue?
Other than that it was a good second time viewing.
Being that close, is that the best response the British could come up with.
Meanwhile the USA was extended on both sides of the continent and had to travel unbelieveable amounts of equipment to be able to launch an invasion while battling the Japanese fleet in the Pacific.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 9:55 am
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:52 am to
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plane in the water and wait on rescue?


Ummm, what are the chances of that? 1 in 10 maybe? It’s not as if the boats are lollygagging around or that the Luftwaffe wouldn’t start shooting at him. If he lands on the beach, then he’ll simply be captured by the Nazis and almost certainly live. It wasn’t nearly as bad as being a Westerner captured by the Nazis as being a Russian captured by the Nazis. Good chance you’d survive the war.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:58 am to
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Being that close, is that the best response the British could come up with.
Meanwhile the USA was extended on both sides of the continent and had to travel unbelieveable amounts of equipment to be able to launch an invasion while battling the Japanese fleet in the Pacific.


1) Britain did not have the industrial capacity of the United States
2) Dunkirk occurred eight months into the war, so it's not like the British had their industry spinning for that long
3) It took the United States until 1943 to really get shite moving
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 9:59 am
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:16 am to
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Being that close, is that the best response the British could come up with.



What do you mean best response the British could come up with? The best case scenario delivered to Churchill was that they could evacuate 45,000 men. In the end they evacuated 338,000 men. That is Battle of Thermopylae level of epicness and will likely have a similar legacy centuries from now.

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Meanwhile the USA was extended on both sides of the continent and had to travel unbelieveable amounts of equipment to be able to launch an invasion while battling the Japanese fleet in the Pacific.



The US had time, a much larger population, and larger supply lines than the Brits had.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:41 am to
Britain was out producing Germany at the time, even on aeroplanes
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:48 am to
Britain was actually the industrial power house of the pre war era.

I was surprised when I read that. Germany only emerged as a industrial producer after the war.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 12:00 pm to
It was a decent movie, but that last part made no sense. He was maybe 50 meters off the ground when he glided by the soldiers on the beach. Then he somehow was able to turn his Spitfire around to shoot the Stuka out of the air. His plane didnt have near enough energy for that maneuver. He was too slow and pointed in the opposite direction. He would have just fallen out of the sky.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 12:59 pm to
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why didn't he just land the

Wouldn't have been as dramatic.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 1:03 pm to
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Britain was out producing Germany at the time, even on aeroplanes


And their industrial output both paled in comparison to that of the United States. It still took us over a year to really get the so-called "arsenal of democracy" fired up. Germany was always #2 to Britain when it came to industry and economics. It also must be noted that Hitler's own high command told him prior to the invasion of Poland that Germany wasn't prepared for general war, so it makes sense that Britain was outproducing them - even at that stage. Their successes in the spring and summer of 1940 had everything to do with leadership and command structure.


This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 2:07 pm to
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It was a decent movie


At best
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 2:25 pm to
Battle of Dunkirk was May 1940

the US didn't enter WW2 until Dec 7 1941

I haven't seen the movie, but the US shouldn't be in the war yet.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 2:51 pm to
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Meanwhile the USA was extended on both sides of the continent and had to travel unbelieveable amounts of equipment to be able to launch an invasion while battling the Japanese fleet in the Pacific.

Umm, the US wasn't fighting anyone when Dunkirk happened.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 3:17 pm to
One of the most disappointing movies in recent memory.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:17 pm to
This really, the BEF and the French army suffered the same communication mistakes of WWI and lacked the readiness of fighting with combined arms that Germans were masters of. Even with this the French took a lot of bite out of the Germans before they lost their nerve. Britain weakening the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain while shoring up morale with the meaningless Africa War were what follow from a miracle like Dunkirk's evacuation.

Gotta give it to the Bulldog one of his best calls was not allowing German pilots to live and shooting down any attempt by German ambulance to rescue them in the Channel. That shite takes nuts knowing what it could mean for your own pilots.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 4:55 pm
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:33 pm to
I viewed it as just falling in line with the theme of sacrifice for the greater good. The evac costs civilians and their boats, too. The one kid went blind.

He already decided he wasn’t going to make it home, he wanted to go down fighting. Plus efforts to subdue him would help divert even some focus off the escape effort. Im not sold about tainting the morale Theory. I just think he wanted to do all he could to stall the enemy for as long as he could, And not be added to the rescue burden.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 6:58 pm
Posted by stateofplay
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 5:08 pm to
Germany is overrated during WW2 and British Empire is severely underrated.

Not just against Germany but Japan as well.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/15/21 at 6:21 pm to
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It was a decent movie
At best
I finally got around to seeing this film today, and I agree completely. It was the most overrated film I have seen in a LONG time.

Best Picture nominee? Please ....

It seems all a film needs these days to get critical acclaim is some hokey schtick like non-linear storytelling. Pulp Fiction did “non-linear” well. This crap was pointless.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 2/15/21 at 6:35 pm to
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Dunkirk


Overrated.

I give it 3.5 stars out of 4.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
10897 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 7:19 pm to
It could have been a very good film. I feel that Nolan directed himself into a worse film than it should have been. His penchant for replaying the same scenes with different perspectives just ended up muddying the waters of an actual event. It's interesting with his own stories, but it was indulgent with this subject matter.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
22685 posts
Posted on 2/15/21 at 8:51 pm to
I was a little underwhelmed by the movie.

I may give it another watch one day when I have nothing better to do. A re-evaluation may help me find more appreciation for it.
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