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re: True or False: What we’re seeing is the inevitable result of multiculturalism
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:49 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:49 am to Pettifogger
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Ideally, true pluralism would involve retention of some very visible/outward cultural markers, but nonetheless keeping us pulling in the same direction on bigger items (rule of law, importance of religion, economic liberty, national pride, etc.)
pluralism sounds closer to melting pot than multiculturalism.
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:49 am to loweralabamatrojan
quote:deeply embedded nonsense
The thing about empires is, at some point expansion stops and contraction starts, and that's when the shite hits the fan. The multiculturalism you refer to is a side effect of imperial expansion.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:50 am to cahoots
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But total and outright assimilation generally requires state intervention (
oh i don't think anyone is pushing for a true "outright" assimilation. multiple posts in the thread have made it clear that the part that needs assimilation are a handful of fundamental beliefs
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:53 am to loweralabamatrojan
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The thing about empires is, at some point expansion stops and contraction starts, and that's when the shite hits the fan. The multiculturalism you refer to is a side effect of imperial expansion.
this doesn't really apply to the US today
i'm not sure exactly which minority group is the villain in this "multiculturalism", but people leaving their country to come here for economic gains is nothing similar to "imperial expansion". imperial expansion would involve conquering those countries and gaining the workers while having to be responsible for all the non-workers. THAT is costly, and in no way similar to today
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
The communist will always look for a way o cause conflict. That was the entire purpose of the Frankfurt school. They worked off the assumption communism was inevitable and just needed to figure out what social conditions were preventing it from happening. They will look to weaponize anything that can be used to pit two groups against each other. If it wasn’t race then it would just be something else.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:54 am to cahoots
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That's not what it means. Cajun French people weren't doing anything wrong when they had a large part of their culture basically washed away in the name of assimilation
Assimilation requires authoritarianism. That's anti-American.
This is bullshite. My grandparents came to the city and assimilated because they didn't want to be provincials living on the Bayou stuck in the 18th Century.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:55 am to BigB123
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The communist will always look for a way o cause conflict. That was the entire purpose of the Frankfurt school. They worked off the assumption communism was inevitable and just needed to figure out what social conditions were preventing it from happening. They will look to weaponize anything that can be used to pit two groups against each other. If it wasn’t race then it would just be something else.
exactly
just as the BLM/La Raza types are pawns of this scheme, so are the posters on this board promoting "muh multiculturalism"
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:56 am to OleWar
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This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:56 am to Eli Goldfinger
It’s more Marxist agitators using multiculturalism to divide and conquer
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:57 am to TigerCoon
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am going to assume that you rolled your eyes when you typed this.
I couldn’t keep a straight face at Germany.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:58 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:It is not multiculturalism per se.
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More accurately it is identity politics which is the ammunition in the Marxists and socialists guns as they attempt to legitimatize their evil affronts to human decency.
Identity politics is an outgrowth that can only come from a multiculturalist state. Identity politics is used to manipulate certain demographics to co-opt each groups goals. In the American case we presently see, it is used to provide an excuse for the failures of the "identity" most in need of an excuse for failures. Again.
The insidious part is that groups with failures are always manipulated to further their manipulations. Again.
Rinse and repeat.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 9:58 am to Boring
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We straight up invited people here with all their traditions and food and ceremonies and said, "do your thing, we're cool with it!"
This is a phenomenal reimagination of the history of the US.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:05 am to cahoots
Other than the folklore of teachers using a ruler on a kids hand for speaking French in the classroom, you got nothing.
The Acadians who retained their language and culture did so because of isolation. As soon as steamboats and railroads, mass communication, and the oil industry reached these areas, Acadians chose to assimilate because it made sense.
Had these things not happened I wouldn't be able to even read whatever history book you want me to read.
The Acadians who retained their language and culture did so because of isolation. As soon as steamboats and railroads, mass communication, and the oil industry reached these areas, Acadians chose to assimilate because it made sense.
Had these things not happened I wouldn't be able to even read whatever history book you want me to read.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:07 am to Eli Goldfinger
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What we’re seeing is the inevitable result of multiculturalism
Difficult to answer because "real" multiculturalism, where disparate, unrelated groups of different cultures come together to be a part of one shared vision that was the American experience is a great thing, and it worked and made this nation unique and amazing. If we are all chasing that same vision, and people are giving up their old cultures and old beliefs for rugged individuality, freedom, etc. then it can work.
But the American left perverted that idea as soon as they started valuing other cultures more than American cultur.. Started mislaigning that shared vision of opportunity to equality of outcome, and did it via social programs and forced division....using culture to divide all that time. And they've even changed multiculturalism to mean exactly that - a disconnected groups of cultures with no relation other than the place they live.They've socially Balkanized the US.
That and we are just now way too big and spread out, honestly, and that breed bad pockets that can't be weeded out and they grow over time.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:14 am to Eli Goldfinger
It would have eventually happened anyway, but the lack of homogeneity hastened it.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:21 am to OleWar
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This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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his doesn't really apply to the US today i'm not sure exactly which minority group is the villain in this "multiculturalism", but people leaving their country to come here for economic gains is nothing similar to "imperial expansion".
Let's say for the sake of argument that the minority group in question are Mexican Hispanics.
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imperial expansion would involve conquering those countries and gaining the workers while having to be responsible for all the non-workers. THAT is costly, and in no way similar to today
The Mexican Cession of 1848 gave the U.S. a massive chunk of Mexican land. I'd say that if that's not the catalyst for the current immigration problem, then there's at least a correlation.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:36 am to cahoots
We might be talking past each other. I'm mostly familiar with the sophisticated Cajuns of Bayou Lafourche and those that settled along the Mississippi River as opposed to the Herding Cajuns of the Prairie.
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:52 am to Eli Goldfinger
Yes
Posted on 7/1/20 at 10:53 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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Identity politics is an outgrowth that can only come from a multiculturalist state.
Show me a state that isn't multicultural and win a prize. We need to get past muh multiculturalism and start looking at genetic makeup and merit.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 10:54 am
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