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The problem with destorying "racist mouments"
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:14 pm
Is it's based on emotion, not logic.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that some of these men represented a racist regime and that is hurtful to blacks.
However we don't discover Roman ruins, of a statue of Nero and say "He dressed up in animal skin, and ate the genitals off Christians, TEAR DOWN THIS STATUE OF OPPRESSION."
No we recognize it for what it is. History. If these statues were discovered 1000 years from now, they would be able to understood our past more fully.
Destroying these statues, just makes us more likely to repeat the past. We need to stop emoting, and realize these are historical artifacts and not objects of worship.
Humans 1000 years from now are less likely to understand, their current world if we just go about destroying the past like it never happened.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that some of these men represented a racist regime and that is hurtful to blacks.
However we don't discover Roman ruins, of a statue of Nero and say "He dressed up in animal skin, and ate the genitals off Christians, TEAR DOWN THIS STATUE OF OPPRESSION."
No we recognize it for what it is. History. If these statues were discovered 1000 years from now, they would be able to understood our past more fully.
Destroying these statues, just makes us more likely to repeat the past. We need to stop emoting, and realize these are historical artifacts and not objects of worship.
Humans 1000 years from now are less likely to understand, their current world if we just go about destroying the past like it never happened.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 1:15 pm
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:16 pm to LSURep864
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Destroying these statues, just makes us more likely to repeat the past. We need to stop emoting, and realize these are historical artifacts and not objects of worship.
That's not what this is about.
You still don't understand your domestic enemy.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:18 pm to LSURep864
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'”
“And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. ‘Who controls the past’ ran the Party slogan, ‘controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'”
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:19 pm to LSURep864
While defending the point of view that kneeling during the national anthem was disrespecting our flag and country, I was told it was "just a symbol".
Are these statues not just "symbols"? you cant argue it both ways
Are these statues not just "symbols"? you cant argue it both ways
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:20 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:22 pm to LSURep864
They're already coming for the flag, the founders, etc.
None of these people give a shite about the Civil War or symbols of the confederacy. They're just getting you used to the idea.
The goal: "Well they tore down the Jefferson statue because he owned slaves, so I'm not sure why we still hold anything Jefferson wrote in high esteem"
None of these people give a shite about the Civil War or symbols of the confederacy. They're just getting you used to the idea.
The goal: "Well they tore down the Jefferson statue because he owned slaves, so I'm not sure why we still hold anything Jefferson wrote in high esteem"
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:22 pm to LSURep864
These statues are not doing s good job of reminding us of history. People are ignorant of history, including what is supposedly memorialized in many of these statues. Statues get erected, taken down, new ones erected In their place, it’s always been that way.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:23 pm to LSURep864
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Destroying these statues, just makes us more likely to repeat the past.
You need a statue up to remind you not to enslave people?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:25 pm to FiddleHead
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You need a statue up to remind you not to enslave people?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:26 pm to LSURep864
Who defines it?
Listen to what else they call racist.
Listen to what else they call racist.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:52 pm to LSURep864
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Humans 1000 years from now are less likely to understand, their current world if we just go about destroying the past like it never happened.
If we properly record our history in archives or museums, then we won't lose anything.
I agree the statutes should not be defaced nor destroyed.
I believe the problem is 'should minority taxpayers be forced to pay for an object they believe to be uncomfortable'.
Personally, I don't care about the statues. I think they should be in a museum where they can be studied and appreciated in the best possible way. But many people are going beyond the realm of academia and into a worship of these people.
All of the statues represent men of their time doing what they believed to be the best course of action.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:55 pm to LSURep864
I understand what you're saying, but it misses the boat on what the point of the statues was. They were not erected to honor great men.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:56 pm to LSURep864
They don’t want to take down statues because they are offensive they want to punish you.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:57 pm to LSURep864
In the case of the Sul Ross statue at A&M, it's not a confederate memorial statue. It's a statue of a man that was commissioned and erected in honor of what Ross did AFTER the Civil War and is an A&M memorial.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 1:59 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:06 pm to LSURep864
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No historical figure can measure up to the impossible standards of presentism.? Presentism, the most profoundly ignorant lens through which history can be viewed, denies societal evolution.? It holds up the highest aspirations of 2017 and demands ex post facto adherence to them.? What will American values look like in the year 2275? Whatever those future values will be, I assure you we’re not living up to them or surpassing them.
This was a quote from Edward Zipperer. (yes, that's a real name)
His point was, we are probably doing something right now that will upset people hundreds of years in the future without even knowing it. Those yet to be born might think of us: how could people of the year 2020 be so wrong?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:22 pm to LSURep864
quote:Nah
Don't get me wrong, I agree that some of these men represented a racist regime and that is hurtful to blacks.
However we don't discover Roman ruins, of a statue of Nero and say "He dressed up in animal skin, and ate the genitals off Christians, TEAR DOWN THIS STATUE OF OPPRESSION."
No we recognize it for what it is. History. If these statues were discovered 1000 years from now, they would be able to understood our past more fully.
Destroying these statues, just makes us more likely to repeat the past. We need to stop emoting, and realize these are historical artifacts and not objects of worship.
Humans 1000 years from now are less likely to understand, their current world if we just go about destroying the past like it never happened.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:32 pm to volod
quote:1. Should pay for what? were statues bought via layaway?
I believe the problem is 'should minority taxpayers be forced to pay for an object they believe to be uncomfortable'.
2. Since when did objecting to how money is spent give you new rights? I disagree with 90% of the federal govt’s expenses- NO ONE CARES! It’s called politics. Don’t like the system? WIN AT THE BALLOT BOX.
The idea of overhauling this country bc of a fringe view is scary
quote:where? Where are people worshipping confederate statues and begging for antebellum policies (of the democrats)?!?!?
But many people are going beyond the realm of academia and into a worship of these people.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:34 pm to volod
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should minority taxpayers be forced to pay for an object they believe to be uncomfortable'.
Tagging buildings by gang members is more offensive than some old bronze dude on horse. Should majority taxpayers have to pay to clean that shite up? What about minorities who don’t want that shite in their neighborhood.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:42 pm to LSURep864
I mean as a history teacher I would hope in your hypothetical situation the statue would be excavated by an archeological team, and then put on display at a museum with a plaque giving historical background of Nero’s reign, and the circumstances which probably led(because if it had been discovered as a ‘ruin’ it implies it had been toppled once) to its removal from a prominent place in Rome to the place where it was discovered.
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