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Reading about Breonna Taylor and Kenneth Walker. . .is it time to end "no knock" warrants?

Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
81789 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:14 pm
-They kick in the wrong door, unannounced.

-Walker thinks it is a home invasion and fires in self defense.

-Cops fire back, hitting Ms Taylor 8 times, killing her.

-Walker charged with attempted murder

-It was the wrong house.

-Police try to say it was the right house with some revisionist press leaks.

-Postmaster comes out and says they are full of shite.



I don't know what can be done, but this needs to change.
This post was edited on 5/18/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11720 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:16 pm to
I think warrants allowing the invasion of a home for pure arrest should be rethought in general.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44144 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:16 pm to
No knock warrants should never have been legal in the first place.

Posted by TopFlightSecurity
Watertown, NY
Member since Dec 2018
1318 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:16 pm to
It's been way past time. Unless you hate freedom.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125167 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:18 pm to
How often are police just lying on warrants?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69240 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:18 pm to
No knock warrants never should have been a thing
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138050 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:19 pm to
Unfortunately, Ben Crump's name being attached to this gives it an unfortunate stank.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
92278 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:20 pm to
Benjamin Crump is making a killing (no pun intended) on these cases.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125167 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

Unfortunately, Ben Crump's name being attached to this gives it an unfortunate stank.


It does. You would think that the existence of people like Ben Crump would make SWAT crews more risk adverse to a no knock raid based on a lie that didn’t seem all that worthy of a no-knock raid even if true.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
27242 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:21 pm to
No opinion on whether no knocks should be there or not. But, anytime an attorney authors a press release and refers to himself as "nationally renowned" ...
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
81789 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:23 pm to
quote:

refers to himself as "nationally renowned"
Nothing wrong with a bit of confidence

Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
73863 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:24 pm to
To execute a "no knock" there should be evidence presented to a judge and a stakeout for at least 24hrs to ID correctly those living there and coming and going.

As it stands now I would say no if I lived in Kentucky. You can't make these mistakes. Ever.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135379 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

. . .is it time to end "no knock" warrants?
Yes.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138050 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:26 pm to
quote:

No opinion on whether no knocks should be there or not. But, anytime an attorney authors a press release and refers to himself as "nationally renowned" ...



He's your typical low rent, two bit race pimp
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8933 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:27 pm to
On a no Knock warrant. There must be a Captain and FBI Agent or higher on site. If there is a shooting incident ....all police weapons and any other weapons should be confiscated on site. Any brass on the ground collected and matched with the firing pin and officer ID of the weapon.

If they screw up and go to the wrong house .... Captain on down has their careers ruined.
Posted by SD Tider
San Diego
Member since May 2019
2500 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:29 pm to
I think they should absolutely be banned. The element of surprise will be lost, but you really are putting law-abiding citizens in an impossible situation.

You’re sleeping peacefully in your home with your family when all of a sudden, without warning, a bunch of plainclothes police burst through your door in the middle of the night with no warning, and even if they do yell “police” and you’re able to register it immediately after being startled awake with adrenaline pumping, how do you know that for certain that they actually are police?

You can’t fault a home owner for defending himself. I mean, if you were to read about this sort of thing happening in a Communist police state you would say “Thank god I live in a free country and we don’t have the KGB”, but it’s actually happening here.
Posted by Born to be a Tiger1
Somewhere lost in Texas
Member since Jan 2018
824 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:30 pm to
If I am on any jury involving no knock invasion I will never side with the unconstitutional law allowing no knock invasions. This same thing happened a few years ago in Killeen texas and unfortunately I was not called up for jury duty.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30872 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:30 pm to
It's pretty obvious that most folks on this board have never been in law enforcement, nor would be willing to.
Folks need to think about standing on the outside of a door and having to announce their presence to a murder suspect, and then having to go through that door....shite gets real quick!
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44144 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:35 pm to
quote:

It's pretty obvious that most folks on this board have never been in law enforcement, nor would be willing to.


Can I use that same justification for those of you who've never served in the military when I disagree with something you've posted?

quote:

Folks need to think about standing on the outside of a door and having to announce their presence to a murder suspect, and then having to go through that door....shite gets real quick!


"Having" to go through that door?



Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
81789 posts
Posted on 5/18/20 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

It's pretty obvious that most folks on this board have never been in law enforcement, nor would be willing to.
Folks need to think about standing on the outside of a door and having to announce their presence to a murder suspect, and then having to go through that door....shite gets real quick!
Police officers knowingly put their lives at risk, executing an arrest warrant.

Innocent folks in "wrong house" scenarios are not afforded the choice.

If cops get killed by an innocent man shooting in self defense, then every link in the chain that obtained the warrant should be jailed.

If an innocent is killed due to "wrong house" situations, every link in the chain should be charged with murder.

Then shite would get real quick
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