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Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:03 pm to Tiguar
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AJC releases video showing Arbery running after caught breaking into unfinished home
it’s going to hinge on when that “confrontation “ is defined.
If the “confrontation” is him charging them, they walk.
If prosecution argues they should have never been there with weapons to make an arrest and that is the “confrontation”, they’re murderers.
Hence my original assertion.
Yea the confrontation only started when arbery “aggressively turned”, the whole chase, blocking path in the road, jumping out, and Drawing a weapon was not a part of the confrontation. If you start at the very end of Harry Potter Harry is the dick for killing Voldemort.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:04 pm to AMS
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Yea i read the statute. They were not in the presence during the crime And did not have immediate knowledge of it according to what they told police at the time. According to their own description he just saw someone running down the street, and planned to confront him because there were break ins over the past few weeks. Citizens arrest requirements were not met.
“Shortly before the deadly altercation, a man called 911 to report they thought someone could be breaking into the home, then a man called 911 to report someone running away.”
Shortly before......so you’re telling me you don’t think a former cop and investigator with the DA’s office had no clue about that local 911 call shortly before the encounter?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:04 pm to joshnorris14
I Posted below this morning in discussion with resident progressive.
“My gut tells me that the guy was snooping around and was aware that he drew attention. Once he knew that he had been made, he actres exactly as I would have. Get away from the area and look like I am engaging in a normal activity. The father/son hillbilly duo determined they were going to insure that he didn’t vanish before the cops arrived. They thought they were going to box him in and citizen arrest him at gunpoint. The murdered kid was in a panic mode as he was trying to evade the duo. In a split second, he went into fight or flight mode when they barricaded him. The duo never expected him to fight. They thought that he would stop and be held at gunpoint until the cops arrived. A gross miscalculation. The father saw his son suddenly in a fight for life and acted to protect his son. I can almost guarantee this is what will come out.
Nonetheless, it is either murder or manslaughter.It was not driven by racism but by shortsightedness and an abundance of rash thinking where the duo did not think through the potential reaction of the deceased.”
Nailed It
“My gut tells me that the guy was snooping around and was aware that he drew attention. Once he knew that he had been made, he actres exactly as I would have. Get away from the area and look like I am engaging in a normal activity. The father/son hillbilly duo determined they were going to insure that he didn’t vanish before the cops arrived. They thought they were going to box him in and citizen arrest him at gunpoint. The murdered kid was in a panic mode as he was trying to evade the duo. In a split second, he went into fight or flight mode when they barricaded him. The duo never expected him to fight. They thought that he would stop and be held at gunpoint until the cops arrived. A gross miscalculation. The father saw his son suddenly in a fight for life and acted to protect his son. I can almost guarantee this is what will come out.
Nonetheless, it is either murder or manslaughter.It was not driven by racism but by shortsightedness and an abundance of rash thinking where the duo did not think through the potential reaction of the deceased.”
Nailed It
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:05 pm to ShortyRob
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He's a criminal.
You can dance on a pin if you like and white knight for the criminal, but he's still a criminal.
You can’t tell what happened when he was murdered on video, there all kinds of possible, alternative circumstances....but a video of him in a house under construction (which was known) and you have definitive knowledge of criminality.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:06 pm to cwill
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cwill
At least you're consistent, bro. You continued to support the false narrative in Ferguson EVEN AFTER black eyewitnesses corroborated the police officer's story.
Of course, you were still in "good" company. Barack Hussein Obama and Eric Holder did the same.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:07 pm to Turbeauxdog
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The law specifically differentiates in person and immediate, so this is horseshite.
So tell me what immediate means. Use your vast legal experience.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:07 pm to FlexDawg
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Shortly before the deadly altercation, a man called 911 to report they thought someone could be breaking into the home
So no report of a garage door being opened, or anything?
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:08 pm to joshnorris14
I don’t believe it. The media and race baiters told me he was just going for a jog and was tracked down and shot by muh racciss.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:08 pm to joshnorris14
Those guys would have been better off calling the cops instead of arming up and chasing the guy down. They were very much in the wrong too.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:09 pm to cwill
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You can’t tell what happened when he was murdered on video
quote:You should learn to read.
but a video of him in a house under construction (which was known) and you have definitive knowledge of criminality.
He has a history of stealing. THAT is the criminal part.
And, well. You can go with "I think the known thief probably went into property he didn't own to perhaps check the tile choices they made" line if you like.
I mean, you and I both know you don't believe it. But, if it helps you, go ahead.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:09 pm to cwill
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You can’t tell what happened when he was murdered on video, there all kinds of possible, alternative circumstances....but a video of him in a house under construction (which was known) and you have definitive knowledge of criminality.
Weird, if I brought a handgun to a school I would be a criminal.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:09 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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I mean this changes the "innocent jogger" narrative. Doesn't change my opinion of the McMichaels guys who are rightly charged with murder.
Absolutely
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:09 pm to CDawson
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This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:10 pm to KCT
perhaps... at this time... the best possible outcome is a plea deal to some kind of manslaughter charge with jail time ranging to about 5 years before parole is on the table
the problem... of course... is that it has to be agreed to by both sides... and I'm not sure either side will be willing to go that route
the problem... of course... is that it has to be agreed to by both sides... and I'm not sure either side will be willing to go that route
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:11 pm to FlexDawg
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Shortly before......so you’re telling me you don’t think a former cop and investigator with the DA’s office had no clue about that local 911 call shortly before the encounter?
Within minutes, almost certainly not. I dont know why the 911 operators would have a retired cop on speed dial to inform him of a potential may have seen someone trespassing on a construction site. That’s ridiculous
Aside from that being asinine thats not what mcmichaels himself told police at the time either. He said he saw someone running and knew about recent break ins so he called his son to get ready for a confrontation. You are making things up to fit a defense of the murderers.
If there was anything like you suggested , thats what he would have told police at the time, but he said “i saw a guy running and went to confront him”, not I was told by the DA someone was running, so I went to confront him
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:11 pm to FlexDawg
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Shortly before......so you’re telling me you don’t think a former cop and investigator with the DA’s office had no clue about that local 911 call shortly before the encounter?
1) It’s not clear that knowledge of the call is sufficient to justify a citizens arrest even if he knew.
2). It’s very clear that Georgia’s citizens arrest law says that the force in effecting the citizens arrest must be commensurate with the offense. So running from a vacant house will not justify getting your gun. In the past, a man who beat an intruder with a baseball bat was judge to have used force not commensurate with the offense.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:11 pm to cwill
quote:By the way.
You can’t tell what happened when he was murdered on video, there all kinds of possible, alternative circumstances.
I mean, it turned out that I was correct that the whole "dude just jogging innocently when confronted for no reason" narrative was bull shite.
Sheesh
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:12 pm to Tiguar
It will basically come down to which lawyer is better at twisting the law into their favor.
Side note. How hard will state attorneys actually press in court since he is kind of connected?
Side note. How hard will state attorneys actually press in court since he is kind of connected?
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:13 pm to the808bass
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2). It’s very clear that Georgia’s citizens arrest law says that the force in effecting the citizens arrest must be commensurate with the offense. So running from a vacant house will not justify getting your gun. In the past, a man who beat an intruder with a baseball bat was judge to have used force not commensurate with the offense.
Had they just shot him as he ran by, your point would be valid.
Alas, that's not what occurred.
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