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re: Saints cut Larry Warford
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:13 pm to Godfather1
Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:13 pm to Godfather1
We have a LG that hasn’t played good football in a few years (making the big bucks) and a complete question mark that has just been handed a starting spot without a legitimate competitor in sight.
It’s a bit concerning imo.
The money was gonna have to be cut on the o line somehow with Ram’s big extension coming. Can’t be paying 4 guys the mega bucks. But I wish they would have let him playeout his deal and (hopefully) insured that we’re not in the crappy o line situation that we’ve been in in the playoffs the last two seasons.
It’s a bit concerning imo.
The money was gonna have to be cut on the o line somehow with Ram’s big extension coming. Can’t be paying 4 guys the mega bucks. But I wish they would have let him playeout his deal and (hopefully) insured that we’re not in the crappy o line situation that we’ve been in in the playoffs the last two seasons.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 10:18 pm
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 9:15 pm to kingbob
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The Saints have created a franchise that is a consistent competitor. Sean & Co have earned the benefit of the doubt in my eyes. For the past 5 years, most of the moves they've made which I questioned have turned out pretty darn well
This is true, with the main reason being their drafting has been great the last few years. But they have made quite a few errors in cutting/trading players that have probably cost us Super Bowls during Brees tenure.
Jenkins for Byrd, trading Sproles with no replacement on the roster, not resigning Goodwin which almost got Brees killed a few years afterward, Akiem Hicks trade, Cam Meredith for Willie Snead, signing Coleman for the same amount of money the Honey Badger signed for that offseason, those are just a few. We will see how this one works out. There’s plenty interest in Warford around the league.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:09 pm to Lester Earl
You stupid frick. That's probably a spread relative to every OG to ever declare for the draft without limiting it to something more appropriate like snaps played or career games. It's honestly so stupid I'm starting to think it's a troll...?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:14 pm to Broken Ear Glen
Your jimmies rustled, glen?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:19 pm to Broken Ear Glen
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starting to think
Don’t do that. Best to quit while you’re ahead.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:23 pm to ezride25
If they go sign a CB to bolster the depth there, I guess I can see it. Maybe a more important position to have depth at.
If they did this to extend Taysom a year early...smh.
When Armstead (or anyone else) gets hurt, we’re gonna roll out Easton for significant time?
If they did this to extend Taysom a year early...smh.
When Armstead (or anyone else) gets hurt, we’re gonna roll out Easton for significant time?
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:23 pm to Lester Earl
The tub of lard out of Tulsa that's in your cute little "web chart" has 99th percentile weight. That's cool bro I bet he's a stud. And you pulled McCoy's combine weight lol. He's 314.
Scherff, Martin, Incognito, Thuney all under 320. Yanda was sub 320. Get poo'd on
Scherff, Martin, Incognito, Thuney all under 320. Yanda was sub 320. Get poo'd on
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:27 pm to Broken Ear Glen
I think this is where I make fun of you for trusting listed weights
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:32 pm to Lester Earl
Annnnd the admit to defeat. Dub for BEG
Posted on 5/8/20 at 10:35 pm to drake20
I think we can tell a lot about what they think of davenport if they spend the cap Room on a defensive end. Not that it’s a bad idea but at this point even if it’s depth/insurance. Either way Marcus needs to ball out next year.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:15 pm to ezride25
Hendrickson and Edwards are solid. Not a bad tandem at all if u lose a starter imo.
At O line though? Easton? Yuck.
At outside CB? PJ? PRob, XFL Deatrich?? Yuck.
Most teams don’t have the resources to spend on quality backups. Losing a good starter would hurt any team. Just seems like the Saints had a rare opportunity to be pretty strong and deep everywhere.
...And if they’re making this move to get deeper at CB (a little more important position), then I get it.
At O line though? Easton? Yuck.
At outside CB? PJ? PRob, XFL Deatrich?? Yuck.
Most teams don’t have the resources to spend on quality backups. Losing a good starter would hurt any team. Just seems like the Saints had a rare opportunity to be pretty strong and deep everywhere.
...And if they’re making this move to get deeper at CB (a little more important position), then I get it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 11:18 pm to ezride25
I can tell you it’s just the fans who are on Davenport for being hurt and not producing big numbers yet but the players on the team and the coaches see. He’s going to make a big leap very soon and be a monster. He’s shown flashes of it but by this time next year nobody will be worried about Davenport. Trey Hendrickson also doesn’t get the recognition he deserves stepping up like he has when Davenport went down. He’s shown to be a very good and reliable 3rd DE who can get after the QB and plays all out every snap. Shy Tuttle is going to be the guy to surprise the most people though. I think this year he truly breaks out and establishes himself as a force at DT. As for the OL I’m not worried a bit. Ruiz is a smart kid who has started 4 years of college ball at a big school against top competition and he’s been excellent all the way. With our 2 studs at tackle and 2 young guys in the middle we will be a top 5 OL yet again. If Peat is healthy he really can play and he’s a bull in the run game.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:20 am to unctiger4
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Plus he was a turnstile against Minnesota. Maybe he just fell off quickly.
Payton can be petty. He was quick to cut Carney after royally blowing a game, even though he was clearly still a pretty good kicker. Bell disappeared after wearing the wrong cleats in the SB. Most guys being injured too often (Armstead seemingly being the exception).
There were rumblings about his poor effort throughout the year, but him just not giving a frick in the playoff game sealed his fate.
I think most people knew from jump drafting Ruiz meant getting rid of Warford. And those who didn't weren't really paying attention.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:22 am to Lester Earl
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He just has a new injury every year it seems.
Two freak arm injuries. It's not like a guy with bad knees or a bad shoulder. He just had a terrible run of luck. shite happens.
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Also see certain people insisting Ruiz is the center. It doesn't matter what the frick he wants to do. Payton straight up said they are letting them compete to see where everyone plays best.
The big factor that may leave Ruiz at guard this year is the shortened offseason. Payton has been harping on that and talking about how continuity is super important this year.
That's not to say he can't learn the line calls AND adjust to the nfl all before the season, but odds are against that.
This post was edited on 5/9/20 at 6:37 am
Posted on 5/9/20 at 6:33 am to drake20
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#8 best guard per PFF
Ah yes. The gospel that is pff. We must listen to everything they say.
There are huge flaws in their system (and you can argue but they do this and that until you're blue in the face; those things are still flaws).
THE top one being that they don't have the play calls so they DO NOT know what everyone is supposed to be doing every play. This is especially true for defensive players and receivers, which can also lead to huge flaws for the qbs.
And for the people who don't know how the Saints Oline has been taught to protect practically since Brees has been here, the tackles are taught to ride the outside rushers around the loop to allow Brees to step up in the pocket. They are not by any means necessary to allow a guy to cut back inside of them.
So when the interior of the line allows pressure and Brees can't step up, then the tackles look bad because Brees is stuck deep in the pocket right where the tackles are taught to ride their man.
So yeah the tackles looked bad against Minny because the interior fricked up their job of giving Brees room to step up.
This is something pff doesn't account for too. They just see player x didn't give up the pressure of hit or sack and give him a positive grade for the play. It's lazy as frick and doesn't take into account scheme, coaching, or anything that actually matters.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:01 am to Lester Earl
Back to back years we have gotten better at center. How lucky is Brees.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 8:48 am to bonethug0180
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And for the people who don't know how the Saints Oline has been taught to protect practically since Brees has been here, the tackles are taught to ride the outside rushers around the loop to allow Brees to step up in the pocket. They are not by any means necessary to allow a guy to cut back inside of them.
The inside of the OL has been a shite show getting their teeth pushed in during the playoffs.
Brees needs to climb the pocket to get the ball down field.
You are spot on about PFF scores.
The interior OL did not pass the eye test. Frack PFF scores.
Ruiz will be at center come playoff time.
McCoy will be at RG.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:00 am to josh336
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If you have 2 good centers, and neither can play guard, its not some huge problem
It’s absolutely a huge problem when you spend back to back #1 picks on them and your QB is getting old
Posted on 5/9/20 at 9:43 am to bonethug0180
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THE top one being that they don't have the play calls so they DO NOT know what everyone is supposed to be doing every play. This is especially true for defensive players and receivers, which can also lead to huge flaws for the qbs.
It’s not hard understand what is supposed to happen when you watch the other players on the OL lol
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And for the people who don't know how the Saints Oline has been taught to protect practically since Brees has been here, the tackles are taught to ride the outside rushers around the loop to allow Brees to step up in the pocket. They are not by any means necessary to allow a guy to cut back inside of them.
On every play? Lmao
The sad thing is people will read this & re-post this & tell their friends this bullshite over & over
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So when the interior of the line allows pressure and Brees can't step up, then the tackles look bad because Brees is stuck deep in the pocket right where the tackles are taught to ride their man.
So yeah the tackles looked bad against Minny because the interior fricked up their job of giving Brees room to step up.
No, the tackles look bad when they get beat 1 on 1, regardless of what the iOL does, which is what happened in the Minnesota game
It’s the wurst game Ramcyck has played as a Saint & he’d tell you that.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 10:03 am to Lester Earl
in the camp of McCoy needing to get more weight and stronger. I thought he was light last year.
WE have a very young OL now.
WE have a very young OL now.
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