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Is Nissan about to cancel the Infiniti brand in the US?

Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:49 am
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32247 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:49 am
The Infiniti brand is being pulled out of Europe this year, leaving it heavily reliant on the US and Canadian markets for success. Unfortunately, their outlook in the US is not much better. Like other Japanese automotive luxury brands, Infiniti sales were down in 2019 - except that Infiniti sales were down an astounding 25% in 2019 from 2017 (much worse performance than Acura and Lexus, who also struggled in that same period). Covid-19 will undoubtedly make it even worse for 2020.

Infiniti's lineup is almost all very old designs that don't excite anyone. They offer almost nothing that stands out among its competitive set. The only selling point they have is that their products are cheaper than Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, and even Volvo. The Europeans, Americans, and even the Korean's have made major investments into their luxury cars while Infiniti has basically ignored their lineup.

The only vestige from their high water mark (Introduction of G35 sedan in the early 2000's) is the ancient Q50 sedan. If you are willing to put up with a luxury car that is missing a lot of tech features, you can pick one of these up for a far lower price than a comparable BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Cadillac, or Genesis. The Q50 is the only Infiniti that has the potential for entertaining the driver, which was the primary appeal of the successful G35 sports sedan.

Their hottest selling (and likely most profitable) product is a common feature on rental car lots - and is a ultimately just an unconvincing rebadge of an already disappointing Nissan minivan with a CVT transmission, gritty V6 engine, and the most outdated infotainment system in this market. It costs significantly less than its competitors and there are no plans to significantly improve this car within the next two years.

Infiniti QX60/J35 crossover - wasn't particularly competitive when it came out 8 years ago. It's easily worst in class now, relying on fleet sales and steep discounts to move.


Infiniti Q50 sedan/coupe- this is an 8 year old sedan design that appeals to value minded shoppers. There is an attractive two door coupe variant, but no one buys it. This is probably the only acceptable Infiniti product, and it's not a compelling buy over the competitors.


Infiniti QX80 SUV- now a 10 year old design. It costs about $25,000 less than a comparable Range Rover, Cadillac, or Lincoln full sized luxury SUV - and for that, you lose out on a lot of the common tech features that luxury car buyers demand. The engine also has a disappointing "bolts in a blender" sound quality that's common with Nissan V6 and V8 engines.



The QX50 crossover - Infiniti's latest product, is actually based off of the previous generation Nissan Rogue, complete with a surprisingly decent 4 cylinder engine that's handicapped by an annoying and unreliable CVT. This design dates back to 2017, and is the most up to date product that Infiniti can offer consumers.




Infiniti doesn't currently have a plan to put up the massive investment required to return the brand to success. Their only new models are re-badged Nissan products with CVT transmissions - which are largely rejected in the luxury/high end car market.

What are the chances that Nissan pulls the plug on the entire brand in the US and Canadian markets?
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32983 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:53 am to
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Their only new models are re-badged Nissan products with CVT transmissions - which are largely rejected in the luxury/high end car market.


It’s been that way for a while. They are nissans with slightly higher end trims.
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:58 am to
They should pull the plug on the cvt transmission.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:02 pm to
I was surprised when the Japanese luxury concept took off. It was in the late 80s or early 90s, I think. The notion that someone looking at, say, BMWs would comparison shop at a place that sold high-end Toyotas seemed dubious to me.

The Japanese succeeded, though, because those first Acura, Lexus, and Infiniti products were really good. It's been a while since any of those brands put out something that really appealed to me, though, like the original Q45 or SC400 did.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5354 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:04 pm to
There's nothing competitive nor compelling about the product. No real identity. I couldn't name a single Infiniti model that I would own unlike Audi, BMW or Mercedes.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
28051 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:10 pm to
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The engine also has a disappointing "bolts in a blender" sound quality that's common with Nissan V6 and V8 engines.


Are you retarded?

Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
18203 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:12 pm to
Nissan is struggling bad shut down until July aug maybe longer prob dumping 1/3 or more of the mfg jobs won’t come back after they re open
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17019 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:17 pm to
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Infiniti


I think it's time to revoke their luxury car status.

You can get an Infiniti for the price of a similar sized loaded up Toyota or Honda. And you will still wish you bought the loaded up Toyota or Honda.
Posted by BuyloSellhi
The South
Member since May 2017
622 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:17 pm to
I've had a sedan for 9 years and one of the SUV models for two years. They have been fantastic and the local service group is as good as any we have ever dealt with in the past.

Hope they stay around.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
11741 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:20 pm to
The beginning of the end for them was when they started naming every vehicle Q. Then the genius behind the Q naming structure went to Cadillac and ruined shite there as well.
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
65809 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:26 pm to
time to bring back the skyline
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13511 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:37 pm to
Probably. Doug Demuro said it best when he discussed it: anyone who chooses to buy an Infiniti right now over other luxury brands only chose it because it was much cheaper. Infiniti is like the Great Value brand of the lux auto world.

*Edit for better analogy.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
25680 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
4281 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:51 pm to
I test drove one when I was looking for a car back at the end of 2019. Easily the most uncomfortable, worst driving higher end branded car I drove. How the hell they sell any of them is beyond me.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19624 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Infiniti's lineup is almost all very old designs that don't excite anyone. They offer almost nothing that stands out among its competitive set. The only selling point they have is that their products are cheaper than Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, and even Volvo.


The American brand sedans were also cheaper than Honda or Toyota. Didn't keep them from essentially ceding the market to them.

quote:

What are the chances that Nissan pulls the plug on the entire brand in the US and Canadian markets?



Above average.
Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1196 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:32 pm to
when they hired the brand manager from Audi and started calling everything "q" they confused the consumer. They did this to themselves.

Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
4790 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:40 pm to
Used to own a 2007 G35 standard. Was a very fun car to drive.

Then I got a new Audi and it made the Infiniti feel like something from the Stone Age.

Agree that Infiniti has gone way down hill over the last decade.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
18662 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:21 pm to
I love my Q50, but when I bought it, I almost got a Maxima. There really is not much of a difference though. It's just a slightly better Altima with a 3.0 twin turbo engine. Got it a year old for 23K. 36K for a brand new one, no thank you. Never buy a Nissan or Infiniti brand new.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
3271 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 6:07 pm to
I have owned six Altimas dating back to 95. All have been very reliable and zero transmission issues other than a loose ground wire which was fixed under warranty.the first four were very high mileage with well over 200,000 miles.

I was currently driving a 2016 and my wife was driving my old 2012. Saturday I purchased a 2020 Silverado (that I can't see or respond to texts but that is a story for another day). I traded in my wife's 2012 and drove it to the dealership.

After not driving the 2012 for years, it was obvious that the quality drop from 2012 to 2016 was huge. Even though it has twice the mileage as my 2016, it drove better, was quieter and just felt way more solid.

Not sure if every other manufacture is doing the same but the quality is certainly tanking.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
36352 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:01 pm to
Infiniti only makes a sale because they are cheaper than the competition. No one buys an infiniti because it beats the competition.
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