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Top Experts Analyze IG Report Finding Problems in FBI Surveillance

Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:06 pm
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:06 pm
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MCCABE: It is serious any time the FBI fails to comply with its own policies, and especially serious when the policy directly implicates FISA accuracy. The intrusive nature of FISA surveillance demands that the applications for authorization be, in all material respects, absolutely accurate — which is why we need to know more than what the interim IG report tells us. Most policies are designed to ensure that an agency meets its legal and ethical obligations in a consistent and effective way. The Woods policy is no different. It requires documentation of the facts presented to the court in order to ensure the FBI meets the legal requirement of presenting a factually accurate request. It is important to note that the IG report does not find that the applications they reviewed were factually inaccurate, but simply that they contained facts not adequately documented in the Woods file. The IG’s review was extremely narrow – the review focused exclusively on comparing the FISA application to the Woods file. The IG did not review the whole case file — which may very well have contained the documents that were lacking in the Woods file. The failure to maintain a good Woods file is serious, but not nearly as serious as making misrepresentations to the court. This report does not tell us if that happened. The answer is something we still don’t know and need to know.

We also don’t know if the facts the IG found not to have adequate Woods documentation were actually material to the application. The IG report points out that standard DOJ accuracy reviews of FISA applications and their Woods files typically uncover errors, but rarely ever find errors that are considered “material.” These reviews include a robust exchange between the case agent, her supervisor, and the DOJ reviewer. They include not just the Woods file, but the entire case file and all the information known to the case agent.

Admittedly, the IG may be correct that the FBI’s comprehensive, strategic examination of these accuracy reviews “would have put the FBI on notice that the Woods Procedures were not consistently executed thoroughly and rigorously.” But that does not say as much it sounds. It just brings us full circle. Even if the FBI were on notice for such inconsistencies, we still don’t know whether that points ultimately to material errors and to misrepresentations made to courts, or instead to nonmaterial, even trivial, errors and clerical mistakes in failing to put the right documents in the right place.

Bottom line: policy compliance failures are serious, especially those involving the use of FISA. Faulty Woods files are a bad sign for FISA accuracy. But we won’t know if there were serious errors in FISA applications until someone reviews the complete case file for each request. That said, we now know better where to look and what questions to ask thanks to the IG’s efforts.


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This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:07 pm
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:07 pm to
Experts

Posted by Magician2
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:08 pm to
Back on the board just in time to defend your cronies.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:09 pm to
Folks, I took one for the team. This bs is from some spook site named Just Security and check out the “authors”

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by Elizabeth Goitein, Andrew G. McCabe, Mary B. McCord and Julian Sanchez



This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:10 pm
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:12 pm to
THE "EXPERTS"

Liza Goitein, Director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty and National Security Program

Andrew McCabe, former Acting Director and Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; CNN Legal Analyst

Mary McCord, former Acting U.S. Assistant Attorney General for National Security; Legal Director and Visiting Professor, Georgetown University Law Center’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection

Julian Sanchez, Senior fellow at CATO Institute and a founding editor of Just Security

Are you fricking serious?






Did you even read that shite?

Are you mentally challenged?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:12 pm to
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The FBI and DOJ already are implementing process changes and training that should address some of the obvious sloppiness in complying with the very procedures designed to ensure accuracy, including in identifying material exculpatory and impeaching information that should be disclosed in any FISA application.


oh yes. it was just sloppiness

the same sloppiness we see in the major media who coordinates with the DNC and their lack of coverage of Joe Biden's rape accusations

sloppiness and bad luck

like steele's evidence being wiped

or sloppiness and bad luck like

hillary's secret server being wiped
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:12 pm to
Lol

SAD
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
30259 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

Liza Goitein, Director of the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty and National Security Program
Andrew McCabe, former Acting Director and Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; CNN Legal Analyst
Mary McCord, former Acting U.S. Assistant Attorney General for National Security; Legal Director and Visiting Professor, Georgetown University Law Center’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection
Julian Sanchez, Senior fellow at CATO Institute and a founding editor of Just Security

Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:13 pm to
Didn't McCord get fired too?

Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
30259 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:14 pm to
For the record I am a firm believer in properly documenting your files.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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450394 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:15 pm to
do you think the FBI was sloppy with the Page FISA application or was their illegal behavior intentional?
Posted by boomtown143
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:15 pm to
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Andrew McCabe




you have to be a troll account
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:15 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
71356 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

Decatur
I believe the durham report will have the final say on the carter page fisas.

you don't have 17 mistakes (ALL in same direction) and it is just "sloppiness".

if it was just sloppiness, you'd have mistakes that were in the favor of the person you are seeking to spy on, too.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

CNN Legal Analyst Mary McCord


Posted by Strannix
President Trump's America
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:19 pm to
Are they still going to keep notes about their plans to set people up
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:19 pm to
quote:

oh yes. it was just sloppiness

the same sloppiness we see in the major media who coordinates with the DNC and their lack of coverage of Joe Biden's rape accusations

sloppiness and bad luck

like steele's evidence being wiped

or sloppiness and bad luck like

hillary's secret server being wiped


And don't forget about the sloppiness and bad luck of an FBI agent purposely excluding that Carter Page's Russian contacts were created at the behest of the CIA (for whom he was working).
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
30259 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

do you think the FBI was sloppy with the Page FISA application


Unfortunately its looks like the same thing has happened (even to a larger extent) in many of the other files that were sampled in the review.

Carter Page wasn't so special that this only happened to him. I don't know of any facts that would make his Woods file deficiencies illegal (criminal) behavior though. I mean in ordinary circumstances if this went to a criminal trial any deficiencies in the warrant Page may be challenged in court.

Not sure about that guy who altered that one email though. Kinda inexplicable.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

Not sure about that guy who altered that one email though. Kinda inexplicable.


No it isn't.

This is some Mao ministry of truth horse shite.

Our "experts"...
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
30259 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

you don't have 17 mistakes (ALL in same direction) and it is just "sloppiness".


I believe they found more mistakes on average in the other files sampled.

The important thing was that they found no political bias or improper motives in the Page case.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
12887 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:28 pm to
I was hoping this was a bump but here you are still having learned nothing from the last few years.
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