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Bill Simmons Says Dennis Rodman Wasn't Interesting
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:57 pm
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Bill Simmons
@BillSimmons
Crucial question that started today’s pod: Why have we pretended for the past 25 years that Dennis Rodman was actually interesting?
Listen to the pod before over reacting to the tweet — said “for the last 25 years.” The stretch where he dyed his hair different colors, partied a lot and never had anything interesting to say. We reacted esp. in the late 90s like he was this riveting guy. Never understood it.
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I dont know if this is some sort of Celtics bias coming from Bill Simmons. I'm not sure if theres some sort of personal vendetta against the Worm. But there must be some piece of the puzzle I am missing here because this makes NO SENSE
Does Bill make a good point?
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:00 pm to RLDSC FAN
Russillo is the one that actually said it in the podcast
And he made good points, basically that Rodman just did crazy stuff as an act and never said anything other than "people just don't understand me" but never tried to explain himself
And he made good points, basically that Rodman just did crazy stuff as an act and never said anything other than "people just don't understand me" but never tried to explain himself
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:00 pm to RLDSC FAN
I'd probably say the same if another player beat the frick out of my team for nearly a decade straight while on multiple teams
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:02 pm to RLDSC FAN
He was interesting in the same way Justin Bieber is interesting. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
Many watched to see when he would go off, like when he kicked the Camera guy.
It was more like watching Rodman to combust and flip out, rather than him being interesting.
It was more like watching Rodman to combust and flip out, rather than him being interesting.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:03 pm to Salmon
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Russillo is the one that actually said it in the podcast
And he made good points, basically that Rodman just did crazy stuff as an act and never said anything other than "people just don't understand me" but never tried to explain himself
This.
I don't think anybody really learned anything new about Rodman last night. It's just "I'm a weird guy" on repeat.
I enjoyed the hell out of it, but I can also see what Russillo/Simmons were saying. I was also too young to really remember a lot of the Rodman stuff at the time, so for their age group and with their connections, they've probably been hearing the same shite about him for like 30 years.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
It’s easy to look back 25 years ago and say he wasn’t THAT weird. In the 90’s, what he did was very ‘out there.’
Now, nobody would bat an eye if someone dyed their hair often.
Now, nobody would bat an eye if someone dyed their hair often.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
I agree with this. And their take that they should’ve spent more time on Phil and far less time on Rodman.
I wish they had gone a little more in depth on Jordan’s struggles getting over the hump against Detroit.
I wish they had gone a little more in depth on Jordan’s struggles getting over the hump against Detroit.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:08 pm to TexasTiger08
Doing relatively crazy things just for the sake of doing something relatively crazy does not, in and of itself, make one interesting. I'd assume that was his point.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:15 pm to RLDSC FAN
I'd have liked to see more stuff on Rodman's upbringing. I read a biography of him, and it's more compelling when you see him through that lens.
He graduated high school at 5'9 and then worked random jobs for a few years when he hit a very late growth spurt. He started college at 22 years old, and was a shy person by all accounts. The documentary hinted at this with Salley talking about Rodman telling his teammates about camping and fishing being real happiness.
Most people's opinion is that he struggled with being in the public eye and compensated with the hair and behavior. It gets some depth when you consider his early life.
He graduated high school at 5'9 and then worked random jobs for a few years when he hit a very late growth spurt. He started college at 22 years old, and was a shy person by all accounts. The documentary hinted at this with Salley talking about Rodman telling his teammates about camping and fishing being real happiness.
Most people's opinion is that he struggled with being in the public eye and compensated with the hair and behavior. It gets some depth when you consider his early life.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:16 pm to RLDSC FAN
Such a lazy take and totally ignorant of what turned Rodman into the bizarre person he became. To completely ignore the well documented personal events that changed him when they have access to it is pathetic from a journalistic viewpoint. Can’t believe people take those guys seriously.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:18 pm to Rep520
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I'd have liked to see more stuff on Rodman's upbringing.
He had his own 30 for 30
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
Rodzilla was out there taking Diamond Cutters and partying in Vegas when he was supposed to be at practice. That's interesting AF
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:21 pm to Rep520
You’re right and he also had the situation in Detroit where a teammate was sleeping with his wife that sent him over the edge causing the incident with the gun in the palace parking lot. You’ve heard over and over again the Detroit teammates and Daly refer to him as innocent and naive. They were like his family, he clung to that group and to have one of them do that to him shattered him and led to the alter ego that consumed his life.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:22 pm to RLDSC FAN
He was an attention seeker. He wasn't/isn't sophisticated in his eccentricities. He just did it to get a rise out of people.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:23 pm to slackster
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Doing relatively crazy things just for the sake of doing something relatively crazy does not, in and of itself, make one interesting. I'd assume that was his point.
Sure but for the time period it was interesting. Kind of like Elton John wearing those ridiculous outfits. Elton John was primarily interesting because he was an excellent musician. He became more interesting with the costumes.
Similar with Rodman. And in the 90s, a professional athlete looking like that and acting like that was a hot story.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:24 pm to truthbetold
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partying in Vegas when he was supposed to be at practice.
That's not edgy.
That's just being a bad teammate and unprofessional AF.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:24 pm to RLDSC FAN
It's also an ESPN documentary, it's not like they're going to delve into every facet of Rodman's life off the court.
Also from Carmen:
He was one of, if not THE most interesting athletes during that time.
I loved his book even with the Boston homerism crammed down your throat, but I can't stand listening to Simmons because that homerism ekes out all the time in that annoying voice
Also from Carmen:
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“One day when the Bulls had an off day from practicing, Dennis said he had a surprise for me,” she said. “He blindfolds me and we get on his motorcycle. When he finally takes my blindfold off, we’re standing at the Bulls practice facility, center court. It was crazy, like two kids in a candy store. We were eating Popsicles from the fridge and pretty much having sex all over the damn place — in the physical therapy room, in the weight room. Obviously on the court.”
She bursts out laughing. “To be honest, I don’t think he’s ever worked out so hard in his life.”
He was one of, if not THE most interesting athletes during that time.
I loved his book even with the Boston homerism crammed down your throat, but I can't stand listening to Simmons because that homerism ekes out all the time in that annoying voice
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:25 pm to slackster
quote:I agree with this. The reasons why he was doing what he did and his personal backstory during those formative years in Detroit are interesting, but the gender-bending weirdo act was the sports equivalent of Lady Gaga in a meat dress.
Doing relatively crazy things just for the sake of doing something relatively crazy does not, in and of itself, make one interesting. I'd assume that was his point.
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:26 pm to Goldrush25
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He was an attention seeker. He wasn't/isn't sophisticated in his eccentricities. He just did it to get a rise out of people.
Which can still be interesting.
I don't think we should be looking for character depth with Dennis Rodman. It's not like he thought through the gimmick like he was Daniel Day Lewis working method or something.
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