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PPP - some folks confusing eligible expenses with payroll

Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Kreg Jennings
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Member since Aug 2007
3920 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:35 pm
Have seen lots of folks do this. None of them for nefarious purposes IMO.

Some are trying to add mortgage payment expense, rent, utilities, etc. into the figure that is averaged over 12 months, then is multiplied by 2.5

In order to come up with your “loan” amount, your payroll is the determining factor.

Payroll costs include:

Salary, wages, commissions, or tips (capped at $100,000 on an annualized basis for each employee);

Employee benefits including costs for vacation, parental, family, medical, or sick leave; allowance for separation or dismissal; payments required for the provisions of group health care benefits including insurance premiums; and payment of any retirement benefit;

State and local taxes assessed on compensation; and

For a sole proprietor or independent contractor: wages, commissions, income, or net
earnings from self-employment, capped at $100,000 on an annualized basis for each employee.

Expenses that are allowed for loan proceeds to be spent on and it be “forgiven” include:

Payroll costs, including benefits;

Interest on mortgage obligations, incurred before February 15, 2020;

Rent, under lease agreements in force before February 15, 2020; and

Utilities, for which service began before February 15, 2020.

Source: Treasury.gov
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:38 pm to
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Some are trying to add mortgage payment expense, rent, utilities, etc. into the figure that is averaged over 12 months, then is multiplied by 2.5


I haven’t seen anyone do that

The plan is pretty clear that it’s just payroll.
Posted by Kreg Jennings
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Member since Aug 2007
3920 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:43 pm to
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I haven’t seen anyone do that


I take it you aren’t in finance
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:47 pm to
I pay people for that

Link us where people are doing what you’re claiming.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 8:49 pm
Posted by JohnWicksDawg
Member since Mar 2018
358 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 7:47 am to
Where can I find a simple outline or chart (dumbed down for the average redneck) showing the overall process once the loan application is submitted to my local bank.

I'm assuming that it's close to the following:
1. I submit the loan application to my bank, along with all the supporting documentation the bank requests.
2. The bank reviews and approves (??) the loan application.
3. The bank submits some sort of document to the SBA indicating my loan has been reviewed and approved.
4. The SBA provides some sort of approval document/file number/loan number (???) to the bank.
5. The bank then disburses funds to me out of it's reserves/loan fund (after I sign 50-100 loan documents).

Is this anywhere close to the process ??
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
47150 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 7:53 am to
i kept mine simple...
i added up gross salaries, paid medical and annual retirement for one year, divided by 12 and multiplied by 2.5. that's my loan amount

i will use the money to pay regular payroll for 8 weeks, two months of paid medical, and two months of retirement contributions. that amount will leave 0.5% of my loan amount unspent, which i will satisfy with my regular rent payment.

unless something changes i expect that my entire loan amount will be eligible for forgiveness.
Posted by mastersoftext
Member since Nov 2019
126 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:04 am to
Lots of my small business owner clients are confusing the two. They are getting overwhelmed with the stress and pressure to get the app filed asap that they are mixing up programs and aspects of different programs.
Posted by tigernnola
NOLA
Member since Sep 2016
3589 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:32 am to
To be eligible for forgiveness, a minimum 75% of funds received from a PPP loan must be spent on payroll. If not, it rolls to a 0.5%, 2 year loan.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12276 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:40 am to
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To be eligible for forgiveness, a minimum 75% of funds received from a PPP loan must be spent on payroll. If not, it rolls to a 0.5%, 2 year loan.


So hearing this I get concerned. The calculation says I should include retirement benefits.... which I max our solo 401k. But I already paid that in Q1. That will prohibit me getting to the 75% if I include it.... should I just leave it out?
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
47150 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:42 am to
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But I already paid that in Q1

for 2019 or 2020?
if 2019, you can now contribute the prorated 2020 portion based on 8 weeks salary
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40383 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 8:44 am to
IMHO, they screwed it up by not having the same "base" for calculating eligibility costs and what it must be spent on for forgivness.

If it's the "Paycheck Protection Program" they should have said, ok, here is 2.5x monthly payroll costs, you need to spend 100 percent of it on monthly payroll costs over say 3 months.

Spending on the other stuff like rent and utilities, if they wanted this to be eligible, then they should have included these costs on the front end. Or, just push all that to the EIDL.
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12276 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:01 am to
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For 2019 or 2020? if 2019, you can now contribute the prorated 2020 portion based on 8 weeks salary


Unfortunately had already maxed 2019 in 2019 and thus 2020 contributions were for 2020 and, yes first world problem, but I maxed out for year in Q1..... never thought something like this would kick up
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:17 am to
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i kept mine simple...
i added up gross salaries, paid medical and annual retirement for one year, divided by 12 and multiplied by 2.5. that's my loan amount


That’s exactly how we did ours
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 9:18 am to
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If not, it rolls to a 0.5%, 2 year loan.


I’m fine with that
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26266 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:09 am to
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kept mine simple...


You forgot to include the pelisuite.
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