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re: Central Pastor church charged, accused of disobeying governor’s order
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:11 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:11 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Well by that logic, This pastor's right to free speech and assembly ends where the community's right to not be subjected to unnecessary health risks begin.
Hows that any different than a CEO requiring his employees work?
Its actually worse because the employees are forced to be there where churchgoers arent.
I'd also argue that the majority of churches will do the smart thing and not gather, as they have continued to do even as this clown did his attention whoring.
It becomes a problem to me when you start arresting people or shutting down churches.
This isnt China even though we have their virus.
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:11 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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What states are defying the DHS order?
LINK
It's not an order; its a recommendation. The feds put out a list of what it defines as "essential" and recommends the states follow that guideline. However, the state - as it currently stands - are not required to comply.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:12 pm to gobuxgo5
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When they drive into private property and walk in a private building owned by an individual wouldn’t they need a judge to sign off the right to enter?
No, but they had an arrest warrant here
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Religious Roy's needs are less important than Smoker Steve's?
Yes. Easily. Steve goes to the store by himself and buys one pack of smokes, interacting with a total of 1 other person.
Roy goes to his church because he’s an idiot and thinks that hearing someone speak into a microphone via video link is different than hearing the same person speak into a microphone in person. Roy comes into close contact with several dozens or hundreds of others while he sits there listening
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:17 pm to Indefatigable
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Yes. Easily. Steve goes to the store by himself and buys one pack of smokes, interacting with a total of 1 other person.
Who interacts with hundreds per day, you can’t leave that part out
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:18 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Everyone who works in an open retail environment
Which population is more likely to be at higher risk?
Individuals at gas stations or concentrated clusters of old people in church?
If I’m a cashier and properly protect myself (wash hands, clean surfaces, etc) my exposure is <<<<<<<< than some stupid schmuck who feels compelled to go donate to his preachers mortgage payment on Sunday morning and sits in a crowded room for an hour
Which population is more likely to be at higher risk?
Individuals at gas stations or concentrated clusters of old people in church?
If I’m a cashier and properly protect myself (wash hands, clean surfaces, etc) my exposure is <<<<<<<< than some stupid schmuck who feels compelled to go donate to his preachers mortgage payment on Sunday morning and sits in a crowded room for an hour
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:20 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It becomes a problem to me when you start arresting people or shutting down churches.
I am a christian and I go to Church n Sundays so this isn't coming from a atheist POV but the virus doesn't give a shite if you are at an NBA game or at Church. Gatherings of more than 10 people are not allowed for public safety. Church's don't get special treatment (that type of thinking is how so many kids got molested, but I digress).
Now as for your work scenario, idk for certain but I don't believe anyone outside of hospitals or basic utilities (garbage pick up, power plants, etc.) are being forced to go to work. If there was a company doing this, there would definitely be something in the news cuz the employees would not remain silent if they feared their safety.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:20 pm to Unknown_Poster
And that’s my problem here. If they can’t do it to the press why are they allowed to do it to a recognized organized religion? I have zero problem with the churches doing it to themselves but I have a huge problem with any governor doing it.
I have the same problem with people saying voter ID in unconstitutional but have zero problem requiring it for a firearm purchase.
I have the same problem with people saying voter ID in unconstitutional but have zero problem requiring it for a firearm purchase.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:22 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Now as for your work scenario, idk for certain but I don't believe anyone outside of hospitals or basic utilities (garbage pick up, power plants, etc.) are being forced to go to work. If there was a company doing this, there would definitely be something in the news cuz the employees would not remain silent if they feared their safety.
Tons of them are.
And most of them are assembling more than 10 people.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:23 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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If they can’t do it to the press why are they allowed to do it to a recognized organized religion?
Because the are inherently totally different?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:23 pm to BACONisMEATcandy
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If they can’t do it to the press why are they allowed to do it to a recognized organized religion?
First, they could make regulations to curtail interactions within the press (limit the number in the office, etc.)
Second, and most importantly, the press is essential; church is not.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:23 pm to Indefatigable
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Which population is more likely to be at higher risk?
Individuals at gas stations or concentrated clusters of old people in church?
I never said gas stations, I said liquor and tobacco stores that don’t sell gas.
And there are plenty of studies on how far germs can travel through touching the same surface. The goods you purchase, the counter you stand at to pay, the money or card, the bag, the receipt
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:25 pm to Indefatigable
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I’m a cashier and properly protect myself (wash hands, clean surfaces, etc) my exposure is <<<<<<<< than some stupid schmuck who feels compelled to go donate to his preachers mortgage payment on Sunday morning and sits in a crowded room for an hour
This would be thrown out in the court of law and you know it
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:25 pm to Indefatigable
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Individuals at gas stations or concentrated clusters of old people in church?
The gas station people are likely touching a lot more of the same surfaces than the church people.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Tons of them are.
I am not sure where you live but in New Orleans, I do not believe this is the case.
But lets say you are correct, people in an office usually have desks that are more than 6 feet apart while in church you are sitting shoulder to shoulder.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:27 pm to SidewalkTiger
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The gas station people are likely touching a lot more of the same surfaces than the church people.
Gas is essential
Church is not.
And the transmission rate at a Church is exponentially higher than a gas station.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:28 pm to Antonio Moss
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And the transmission rate at a Church is exponentially higher than a gas station.
Waiting on some proof of this
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:28 pm to Indefatigable
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Yes. Easily. Steve goes to the store by himself and buys one pack of smokes, interacting with a total of 1 other person.
And touches the same door that 1000 people have touched since it was last sanitized
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:30 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Waiting on some proof of this
Close quarters + contact + over 100 people in defined area
versus
1 cashier + 250ish customers over the course of day with minimal contact and ample opportunities to sanitize.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 5:30 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:gasoline disinfects the virus
Waiting on some proof of this
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