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As the rest of Europe lives under lockdown, Sweden keeps calm and carries on

Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:20 am
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:20 am
it will be interesting to see what the final numbers are out of Sweden; this could be a great case study on opening up areas that are not actual "hot spots"; as President Trump is considering

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If there’s been a fall in custom at the Nyhavn restaurant, it’s hardly noticeable. Groups of drinkers huddle under heat lamps out on Möllevång Square, the centre of nightlife in the Swedish city of Malmö, seemingly oblivious to the virus spreading through Europe.


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While every other country in Europe has been ordered into ever more stringent coronavirus lockdown, Sweden has remained the exception. Schools, kindergartens, bars, restaurants, ski resorts, sports clubs, hairdressers: all remain open, weeks after everything closed down in next door Denmark and Norway.

Universities have been closed, and on Friday, the government tightened the ban on events to limit them to no more than 50 people. But if you develop symptoms, you can still go back to work or school just two days after you feel better. If a parent starts showing symptoms, they’re allowed to continue to send their children to school.

It has only been in the past couple of days that the death toll has started to increase significantly, rising by a third in a single day on Thursday and Friday, with 92 people now dead and 209 in intensive care. As he announced the tighter restrictions on Friday, the prime minister, Stefan Löfven, warned that the coming weeks and months would be tough.

But he defended the decision not to implement the tighter restrictions seen in Denmark, France and the UK. “We all, as individuals, have to take responsibility. We can’t legislate and ban everything,” he said. “It is also a question of commonsense behaviour.”


Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist, believes it is counterproductive to bring in the tightest restrictions at too early a stage. “As long as the Swedish epidemic development stays at this level,” he tells the Observer, “I don’t see any big reason to take measures that you can only keep up for a very limited amount of time.”

His team at the Public Health Agency of Sweden is critical of the Imperial College paper that warned this month that 250,000 people in the UK would die if the government failed to introduce more draconian measures. A week later Johnson ordered the police to implement a partial lockdown to combat the virus, telling people they “must stay at home”.

“We have had a fair amount of people looking at it and they are sceptical,” says Tegnell. “They think Imperial chose a number of variables that gave a prognosis that was quite pessimistic, and that you could just as easily have chosen other variables that gave you another outcome. It’s not a peer-reviewed paper. It might be right, but it might also be terribly wrong. In Sweden, we are a bit surprised that it’s had such an impact.”
Posted by Jrv2damac
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Member since Mar 2004
65752 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:26 am to
And no one in the media really mentions them or is derogatory of them for it.

fricky.
Posted by Snoopy04
Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2015
3017 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:47 am to
I will miss seeing the female Sweden olympians this year.
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 8:49 am to
quote:

don’t see any big reason to take measures that you can only keep up for a very limited amount of time.”


Amen to that
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27817 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:17 am to
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We all, as individuals, have to take responsibility.


Yeah, that's not really how the American population functions.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29772 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:25 am to
quote:

quote:
We all, as individuals, have to take responsibility.


Yeah, that's not really how the American population functions.


exhibit a -- Democrat voters
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
425279 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:30 am to
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it is counterproductive to bring in the tightest restrictions at too early a stage.

key point

it's easy to do this when you don't have a major outbreak and are free riding on data from other countries who do

kind of like how it's easy to participate in a war when your state doesn't have a front
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89750 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:34 am to
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Schools


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remain open


Greta's truant officer must be as tired as Mike Pence right now,
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68613 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:36 am to
I hope it goes well for them and their model can be used.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:39 am to
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exhibit a -- Democrat voters



You think the mega churches sending out busses are Dems?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262997 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:41 am to
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We all, as individuals, have to take responsibility. We can’t legislate and ban everything,” he said. “It is also a question of commonsense behaviour.”


Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64625 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:46 am to
How's Guam doing?
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:47 am to
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“It is also a question of commonsense behaviour.” 


Sadly that is lacking with many.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8559 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:47 am to
quote:

“It is also a question of commonsense behaviour.” 


Sadly that is lacking with many.
Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24613 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:48 am to
Sweden has the population of Michigan. It’s a lot easier to get 10 million people to comply than 300+ million.

Plus, we have waaaaaaay more stupidity in this country.
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
16280 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:53 am to
This is great for epidemiology.

Will tell us a great deal from a science standpoint in the future.

Good for Sweden.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262997 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:59 am to
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It’s a lot easier to get 10 million people to comply than 300+ million.


Generally the argument about not doing things the way Sweden does on a national level.
However, state levels are another story.

Our country is too large to govern with one govt. Most powers should return to the States.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:05 am to
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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262997 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:10 am to
quote:

quote:
“It is also a question of commonsense behaviour.”


Sadly that is lacking with many.


People will trus a medical doctors opinion to shut down the world, but are ignorant of economics and the social ramifications.

Blindly following is a sure way to end up with a dictatorship. No ne is an expert on everything and all needs have to be considered.

"At what cost" is a question involved in every Detail of life
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56630 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:27 am to
Sweden has a 1% poverty rate and is used to acting as a collective. America is dumb as shite and is home to selfish needy people
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