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re: Will Wade's excuse for poor defense in the second half of the Kentucky game
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:06 pm to Geauxboy
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:06 pm to Geauxboy
You can know plays, and how to execute them, doesn't mean you're a pro level player. Got interest from scouts but didn't receive an offer for college. The point about defense is, it's not difficult to pick up the concepts, terminology and to communicate amongst each other. The athletic part is harder obviously, but if you apply the concepts, strategies, communicate amongst each other and apply effort it makes it a lot easier.
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Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:14 pm to glorymanutdtiger
I didn't say sit every player, the ones that don't defend the way they should or don't show good effort, yeah, like I said, maybe for a few minutes. Explain what they are doing wrong and how to fix it and if the mistakes continue, you'll end up here again. Let them sit on the bench for ka awhile and think about it. Then give them a chance to prove they've listened and learned.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:18 pm to rutiger
If he isn't doing what he's supposed to do, yes, for a few minutes. Point out what he's doing wrong and tell him how to fix it. Then give him a chance to redeem himself.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 1:26 pm to TriedandTrue
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There are guys who just can’t keep that defensive focus long enough.
That is the entire reason why we half arse press all the time. Wade is the one that said it, we press like that to try to limit the total amount of time we have to play half court defense.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:03 pm to glorymanutdtiger
I'm not insinuating I can do it better than them, defensive principles don't all of a sudden change just because the talent level is better. Playing man or zone defense is the same, just interject higher level athletes. No apples to oranges.
A 1-3-1 and most all the other zone defenses are the same in high school as in college, just rotations and where certain players play within it are different based on different coach's philosophies for example.
A 1-3-1 and most all the other zone defenses are the same in high school as in college, just rotations and where certain players play within it are different based on different coach's philosophies for example.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:21 pm to des4271
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I'm not insinuating I can do it better than them, defensive principles don't all of a sudden change just because the talent level is better. Playing man or zone defense is the same, just interject higher level athletes. No apples to oranges.
You do realize that kids play NO defense while playing the aau circuit.
Also, in high school, they play against other kids that are usually nowhere near as physically gifted as they are so they dont have to work hard to guard.
THEN they get to college and theres guys that are now bigger and faster than them and they never had to learn good defensive technique.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:30 pm to josh336
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Or maybe they havent grasped the concepts as they should. You dont think wade deserves the benefit of the doubt on this?
Really? Which other freshman is playing? Mays, Smart, Days, Williams are experienced players. If they haven’t “grasped it” that’s on the coaching.
Analytics are great but that’s not enough. A good coach is a good teacher.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:38 pm to des4271
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A 1-3-1 and most all the other zone defenses are the same in high school as in college
No.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 2:44 pm to des4271
In other words, he's getting seriously out coached.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:13 pm to burdman
quote:And that is his biggest weakness. He doesn't view bench players as as option. That he can't coach one up enough to play defense and set screens on offense is a major issue. Personally I think they are capable, but WW doesn't have any confidence in using them.
Although you'd probably have to go deeper than a 7 man rotation and that doesn't seem like something he likes to do.
Basically if his starters don't get it done, he will stick with them well past most coaches will (ie Tremont Waters last year).
Posted on 2/20/20 at 3:21 pm to mmcgrath
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(ie Tremont Waters last year).
I guess you missed the stretch last season where Waters got benched
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:01 pm to des4271
WW's excuse is so lame. It was so stupid, I had to read it twice to make sure I read it correctly! It's just his attempt to mask his inability to coach. He simply doesn't know how to prepare his team for games and has no clue how to make in-game adjustments.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:09 pm to rutiger
Totally realize that, they are still taught the basic techniques, concepts and strategies and have that foundation. If they choose to not play and conform to your coaching at the college level, then you have to discipline them by taking playing time away from them.
Their time on the court in college is a showcase to be drafted and if they aren't playing, they're not being seen and don't have the statistics. It seems harsh but as a coach in the SEC like WW, with your job on the line, you have to get the point across somehow.
Their time on the court in college is a showcase to be drafted and if they aren't playing, they're not being seen and don't have the statistics. It seems harsh but as a coach in the SEC like WW, with your job on the line, you have to get the point across somehow.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:15 pm to mmcgrath
If the players know this as fact , maybe that's why they don't do what he asks, because they know he won't sit them, it's possible.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:19 pm to Golfer
So tell me what's different other than the talent level, how a coach uses rotations and personnel within that zone.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:20 pm to Smell the crawfish
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He simply doesn't know how to prepare his team for games and has no clue how to make in-game adjustments.
Lol. Totally won the sec by accident last year.
You continually show your ignorance in every will wade thread, well done.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:25 pm to Smell the crawfish
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. He simply doesn't know how to prepare his team for games and has no clue how to make in-game adjustments.
If he was that bad of a coach, the 17-18 team wouldn’t have won a conference game.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:39 pm to des4271
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So tell me what's different other than the talent level, how a coach uses rotations and personnel within that zone.
Sigh. The entire point is that the talent level from HS to top tier college basketball is a massive jump that it effects how you rotate in a zone, which personnel you use, etc.
Yes, the general concepts are the same. But how you operate within those concepts is entirely different dependent on the personnel on the court...and even where those players are.
To use the 1-3-1 example...and I'm going to even simplify what would be going on in a college film room/practice gym...You would have certain traps called based on who is being trapped and what other personnel are on the court for your opponent. Because if you just blindly trap everywhere in the 1-3-1 a good, top-tier team with talent will exploit your approach that you can get away with in middle and high school. As another poster said, it requires you to think intuitively and quickly...and some kids just don't get it.
It very well may be that Wade's defensive schemes are too complicated and that he needs to simplify. It may be that the player's old habits aren't dying. It may be that we just don't have the defensive talent. But to act like the top talent in HS and AAU circuits can just apply their principles at the lower level and succeed is insane. I've been to multiple national HS tournaments and watched teams with future NBA stars play on them. The defensive technique and concepts are needed because of their raw physical talent.
It sounds like you played on a HS team that lacked any of this talent so you had to execute defensive fundamentals to be successful. One of the examples I'm referring to above was watching a team with no major college prospects dismantle Devin Booker's Moss Point HS team because of their ability to play well together on both sides of the ball. Booker still went for 56 points, 7 steals, and 15+ rebounds.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 4:45 pm to KingofthePoint
quote:I am referring to how long it took Wade to bench Waters.
I guess you missed the stretch last season where Waters got benched
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:04 pm to Golfer
A lot of what you're saying is what I'm talking about, you never blindly trap, it's well planned and timed. Of course you game plan more in college, it still boils down to executing the principles, rotations and personnel within that zone.
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