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re: What is the difference between a 'movie' and a 'film'?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:59 pm to Bench McElroy
Posted on 2/12/20 at 7:59 pm to Bench McElroy
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Soderbergh: "A movie is something you see and cinema is something that's made. Cinema is a specificity, a vision, it's an approach where everything matters. It's the polar opposite of generic or arbitrary and the result is as unique as a signature or fingerprint and it isn't made by a committee and it isn't made by a company and it isn't made by the audience.
The bold part of that quote is telling. So really what he's saying is the audience is at best a secondary consideration in cinema, if it's a consideration at all.
In movie making though, the audience matters. Because movie makers have an understanding of why people go to the picture shows to begin with. They go because they want to be entertained.
If you go to the cinema however and just happen to be entertained, well that's incidental and fundamentally doesn't matter to the cinema maker. The cinema maker makes cinema for himself and maybe his peers but no one else.
So what we can take from this is that cinema is to celluloid, what jazz is to recorded sound.
They're both self indulgent, pretentious and largely shitty forms of entertainment that no one really likes.
Cinema is Holy Motors.
The movies is Scream.
I've seen both and only one of them is why people really rent movies or go to the theater.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 8:06 pm
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:27 pm to Pandy Fackler
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So what we can take from this is that cinema is to celluloid, what jazz is to recorded sound.
They're both self indulgent, pretentious and largely shitty forms of entertainment that no one really likes.
Why do you hate everything, and then also assume everyone hates or should hate the same things you do?
The only pretentious thing I see here is you trying to break down what's wrong with cinema as though you know anything. Everything you said is an opinion (that I could not disagree with more) in response to one director's opinion (with which I also disagree).
The definition of cinema is movie theater. "Going to see a movie" can be rephrased as "going to the cinema", and that does not necessarily imply going to Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Some people use the word cinema when referring to movies as art. Great. All movies are art, even the shitty ones.
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In movie making though, the audience matters.
This internet fanboy bullshite talk. You're right that some movies' producers/studios consider audience more than others, but ---- oh, wait, no they don't. You're talking about finances and what will appeal to all quadrants. They consider money, not audience. Sometimes those go hand-in-hand. Other, smaller filmmakers and producers consider audience. They have to. Even if movies are an art form, they are inherently commercially motivated. They cannot be produced without large sums of money. The most pretentious director in the world needs people to see his movies so that he can make more.
It sounds like those producers just don't consider you.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:29 pm to Baloo
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I use the terms interchangeably
Posted on 2/12/20 at 8:57 pm to Jay Are
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Why do you hate everything, and then also assume everyone hates or should hate the same things you do?
The only pretentious thing I see here is you trying to break down what's wrong with cinema as though you know anything.
You're taking it all so deeply. You're so offended. It's as though I've wounded you.
To me, all this is only movie talk. Movies don't really matter. It's kinda like talking about how to boil crawfish or the best way to grill a steak.
To you? Well it seems to be so much more.
I've offended you. No no, I've wounded you and for that, I apologize.
Now to answer your question.
No, I don't hate everything. Only jazz and cinema. And I don't assume you should "hate the same things I do" but I do believe you should hate them.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:07 pm to hubertcumberdale
People that use "film" today are just trying to sound smart. It's a term that the Academy uses lol
As the graph shows, the usage of "film" was more common back then. I guess because it was proper. Now, most people just find it easier to use "movie".
I never hear, "Hey do you want to go watch a film this weekend?"
As the graph shows, the usage of "film" was more common back then. I guess because it was proper. Now, most people just find it easier to use "movie".
I never hear, "Hey do you want to go watch a film this weekend?"
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:22 pm to Pandy Fackler
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The only thing slightly worse than seeing a film is using the word cinema.
What if you tell someone you watched some Adult Cinema? Is that too pretentious?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:24 pm to swagsurfin7
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I never hear, "Hey do you want to go watch a film this weekend?"
Really?
Because I hear this shite all the time. "Would you like to take in a film at our local cinema on the morrow"?
I don't know what kinda trashy westbank frickers you're hanging out with but here on the Northshore? Well like all decent folk, we take in "the cinema". In fact, we got one of those fancy cinema houses where you can watch a picture show and have a meal. And that includes cheesy tots.
You need to culture the frick up, friend.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:31 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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What if you tell someone you watched some Adult Cinema? Is that too pretentious?
Now that's the real deal and everything you want cinema to be.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:43 pm to hubertcumberdale
This thread reminds me of something a professor said in a college class on popular music I took.
"What's the difference between a fiddle and a violin?
No one cares when you spill beer on a fiddle."
"What's the difference between a fiddle and a violin?
No one cares when you spill beer on a fiddle."
Posted on 2/12/20 at 9:54 pm to Pandy Fackler
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jazz
They’re both self indulgent, pretentious and largely shitty forms of entertainment that no one really likes.
You motherfricker.
I mean, you’re not wrong.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:21 pm to hubertcumberdale
Pretty sure the original term was "moving pictures" which was shortened to movies.
Not sure when film came into being but it was after moving pictures.
So it's not a pejorative to call a picture a movie.
I mean film can apply to just still pictures as it too is on film.
What to see my films from my trip to Paris?
Not sure when film came into being but it was after moving pictures.
So it's not a pejorative to call a picture a movie.
I mean film can apply to just still pictures as it too is on film.
What to see my films from my trip to Paris?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:29 pm to StringedInstruments
You get an upvote.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:22 am to hubertcumberdale
A movie is made to entertain you. A film doesn’t give a shite whether you are entertained or not as long as you receive its message.
I love both of these titles, but I illustrate my point thusly: Interstellar is a movie. 2001 is a film.
I love both of these titles, but I illustrate my point thusly: Interstellar is a movie. 2001 is a film.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 5:56 am to Master of Sinanju
I used to go to the picture show. 
Posted on 2/13/20 at 6:04 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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used to go to the picture show.
I love going to see a talkie down at the movie house.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 6:05 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:24 am to GetCocky11
I love movies and prefer saying "movies".
But I'll admit,it is one of those hokey shortened words that lazily got integrated into common language.
Moving pictures became a "movie". When they added sound, the talking pictures became a "talkie". Convenient, but kind of "kiddie". Like shortening a Gramophone Award to a "Grammy". Lame.
At least "film" is one of those interchangeable noun/verbs that is efficiently descriptive.
But I'll admit,it is one of those hokey shortened words that lazily got integrated into common language.
Moving pictures became a "movie". When they added sound, the talking pictures became a "talkie". Convenient, but kind of "kiddie". Like shortening a Gramophone Award to a "Grammy". Lame.
At least "film" is one of those interchangeable noun/verbs that is efficiently descriptive.
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