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re: May I suggest that it's possible to really like WW and point out his flaws concurrently...

Posted on 2/9/20 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/9/20 at 1:40 pm to
Why does everything have to be good coach/bad coach?

Perhaps the makeup of these teams is what leads to these results.

Perhaps the right calls and decisions are being made. Perhaps the roster is limited or certain skill sets do not exist.

Coaches are not magic.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/9/20 at 1:41 pm to
Not taking a timeout is fine. You don’t need to take a timeout when you have 20 seconds and the ball. What needs to happen though is a play is called from the sideline. Even a clear out with a plan to drive the ball.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 1:59 pm to
You better get used to the idea that WW will violate his "new" contract (one more "rules" violation and you are gone clause). WW is a pretty good coach. That being said, WW will not go down as the best LSU coach ever (as someone said in this thread) because of the wiretapping stuff he is probably guilty of.
Posted by DTig
Member since Apr 2019
534 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:13 pm to
CWW needs a defensive coordinator like in fb to set up defensive plays and remind him of calling timeouts. I don't understand why the Tigers let Auburn inbound with no defensive pressing at the end of the ot with 9 seconds left. A good coach should call a timeout right there to setup defensive play to slow down the inbound play. Not calling timeouts in a close game might be CWW's Archiles heel.
This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 2:25 pm
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/9/20 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

WW will not go down as the best LSU coach ever (as someone said in this thread) because of the wiretapping stuff he is probably guilty of.

Then no coach that wins any kind of hardware can be considered the best ever because they're all probably cheating.
Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
7356 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:13 pm to
Did we blow a lot of late leads last year? I think it might be less WW and more of mixture of talent and depth. We don't have any bigs so our guys have to exert a lot more energy rebounding. This coud take a toll late in games?

Trust me I'm hard as hell on LSU coaches wasn't pleased with Aranda the past year except last 4 games when our defense woke up. Also sick and tired of CPM not being able to put together a top 5 pitching staff. I mean last year we didn't even have a FREAKING LEFT HANDER!!
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48649 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:14 pm to
Will Wade is 37 years old, let that sink in. He’s about to complete one of the best 2 year stretches in LSU history and the best in 40 years. He’s had the most successful first 2 1/2 start in LSU history. We’re more than fine as long as we keep this guy happy and motivated.
This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 3:16 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35512 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:15 pm to
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A timeout also guarantees you play against a set defense. Not to mention, it allows the opposing coach to make defensive subs and an option to change defenses.
A timeout also guarantees that your offense is set. If our offense could gather themselves quickly then I might agree, but they really don't against a full or half court press.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48649 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:17 pm to
I dunno if there’s a right or wrong way in that situation. Time is an extra defender essentially right there and it gives a slight advantage to the D allowing them to dictate to you instead of the opposite.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48649 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:27 pm to
We did blow a lot of big leads last season up until Houston. After that we closed much better but still gave up some cushions. I keep going back to guard depth because we’re such a non post oriented team. When you’ve only got two guys who can initiate the offense as well as handle full court pressure they can wear down. Bishop probly needs more playing time when we’re up big so that Mays and Smart have some legs late in games and late in season. This is the second year in a row Mays’ 3point shooting has dropped off a ledge around this time. That’s usually a sign his legs are leaving him.
This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Philippines4LSU
Member since May 2018
8789 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:33 pm to
Off-topic, but has anyone else noticed that when you don’t guard a guy at the 3 point line and give him time to set and shoot, he’ll miss more often than when a guy is closing out on him or has a hand in his face.

If we’re going to let them get the shot off without just fouling and making them get 2 at the line instead of 3, I’d almost rather we just defend the paint and leave the perimeter alone and let them think about that shot they’re about to take.

Auburn hit 3 of their 4 final attempts from outside. The only one they missed was the one where the guy was wide arse open and nobody even tried to rush his shot.

As a former player, I also found it easier to shoot when the defender was good enough that I couldn’t think and was just reacting. Maybe there’s something to that in terms of being a strategy.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48649 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 3:46 pm to
This is where analytics fail Wade. It almost works in reverse in the situation we saw play out yesterday. The guy was a 35% shooter from what I recall so we’re going under screens on him. Then he hits one then two, so in Wade’s mind the percentages say he won’t hit another but you as an ex player know damn well he’s getting hot not leveling out. In a confined time frame you have to abandon analytics and show some feel. I agree with you we played it wrong late.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14671 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 4:16 pm to
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Him not using timeouts in the last possession of a game that is tied or that we are losing by 3 or less does not merit criticism.


I agree, What Pearl does better than any coach I've ever seen, going back go his Tennessee days is guard inbound plays. He gives clinics on it. Plus I am all for not letting a defense set up, situationally sup and match up. You practice those situations all the time...now maybe you we need to re-think what we practice, but in that situation I got no issue with not giving Pearl a shot to dial up what he does best.

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Him not using one before that when you have two left is a fair complaint


I would agree with this in principal. He did call one at about the 7 minute mark and that did seem to stem the tide at that point.

But IMHO teams still get too many time outs in basketball. There's a frickin media timeout every 4 minutes. Practice better.
This post was edited on 2/9/20 at 4:36 pm
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43376 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 5:28 pm to
So you’re saying don’t guard them at the 3 pt line?
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 5:33 pm to
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Then no coach that wins any kind of hardware can be considered the best ever because they're all probably cheating.


"Probably" I can't indict "everyone" because of your definition of "probably." .......However, my view is that if you are caught in an FBI wiretap saying what WW said, you are guilty. If LSU didn't think he was guilty, WW would not have been forced to sign that "special" contract. I hope WW can live up to the contents of that contract AND demonstrate what a good coach he is.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93964 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 5:39 pm to
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"Probably" I can't indict "

Who got indicted? Btw, you brought up the word probably.
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if you are caught in an FBI wiretap saying what WW said, you are guilty

How do you know exactly what he said? Has anyone heard the tapes or seen the transcript? Did the one reporter even hear them or was he given second hand information? I think he absolutely cheated. I also can say with a good degree of probability that Nick Saban is cheating too as is Coach K. Are they unable to be considered the best ever? If Nick Saban is cheating then that must mean Orgeron is cheating to get kids to come to LSU over a cheating Bama. Is he too unable to be considered best ever? Where does it end?
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9312 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 5:52 pm to
Defense in last 2 minutes is his Achilles heel.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4034 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 6:05 pm to
I played too and I have to disagree about contested or uncontested shots ( I was catching and shooting on open looks). I think of it from the standpoint of FT's and open shots, it's the easiest shot you'll get and that's where your highest % of makes will be. I agree about shooting in rhythm.

The guy that missed, I don't think was one of their better shooters, if I remember right. They were behind and were fouling, you defend the 3 and trade your 2 FT's for their 2 pt. bucket and you keep your lead.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
12152 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 6:12 pm to
What Flaws?
Who on this board knows more about the team, and has the knowledge to identify a flaw of any Head Coach.
He took a garbage team from the cellar to the league champion in two years.
He has a recruiting class coming in that IMO can take us to the national championship.
Wade is what most longtime LSU have dreamed of in a Head Coach.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93964 posts
Posted on 2/9/20 at 6:13 pm to
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He has a recruiting class coming in that IMO can take us to the national championship.
Wade is what most longtime LSU have dreamed of in a Head Coach.

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