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re: Trump lawyers respond to articles of impeachment: 'Constitutionally invalid'

Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:54 pm to
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:54 pm to
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I do not, but that decision is left solely to the House of Representatives.


Ad long as you have the same viewpoint with Turtles rules.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:54 pm to
Impeaching the president for his right to take executive privilege to court is a power grab.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:55 pm to
I hope somewhere in those 7 pages they pointed out that obstruction of congress and abuse of power are not felony crimes nor misdemeanors
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96826 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:55 pm to
Having Dershowitz do it is like swatting mosquitos with a bazooka.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48391 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:56 pm to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
148041 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:57 pm to
read this, maybe you will take your partisan glasses off.

https://www.scribd.com/document/443428475/Answer-of-President-Donald-J-Trump
Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:59 pm to
The aid was released before the deadline, therefore it wasn’t withheld.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 7:59 pm to
quote:

I do not, but that decision is left solely to the House of Representatives.


Would you feel the same if the Senate laughed, pointed, and simple said, on the first day.."Dismissed! Get that dumb crap out of here!"
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30490 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:00 pm to
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The left is generally scum with no moral principles. But they had the sole power of impeachment.

This applies to nearly every political issue we've been dealing with for the past 3+ years, but using that particular item as an example, i.e. the same talking head will one day highlight a point that "Nope, not a traditional courtroom trial, those concepts don't apply" and turn right around the very next day, same day hell, and drop the line I cited in previous post.

The damage this is doing to the country is truly frightening. It's schizophrenia and it's wearing off on the folks. I find that very few people stay on track with the same strict set of views on all the issues, big and small. It's damaged the health of thought processes.
Posted by KingOrange
Mayfair
Member since Aug 2018
8686 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:01 pm to
Neither Article is a CRIME your Honor!

Case Dismissed.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
23800 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:02 pm to
House rules. A Witness allowed to turn around and ask questions. Schiff nor Nadler allowed ANY GOP witnesses, and violated minority rights by not having a day for them to have witnesses or present any kind of rebuttal or case. House Rules WERE violated.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:02 pm to
Absolutely. But I’d rather witnesses be called and this whole anti-Trump charade have its top blown off.

But sadly, Republicans don’t want their chicanery exposed, either, so we likely won’t get that.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:02 pm to
Interesting...

There was an analysis floating around 2 days ago now suggesting that this thing won't make it to opening arguments because the effort, in and of itself, was illegal.

Schiff committed perjury half a dozen times throughout this thing.

Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20294 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

I equated impeachment with a grand jury proceeding.

An impeachment can lead to a loss of office, a grand jury can lead to a loss of freedom (and perhaps your life, if convicted).



Hmm, your posts and hemorrhoids are both pains in the arse...does that make them the same?

Point is, impeachment is a political exercise and a grand jury is a criminal proceeding. They might loosely have some similarities but you can't equate the two as a whole with any real comparison.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:07 pm to
Car accidents are just like criminal proceedings because one bad enough can cause you to lose your ability to work or even your life.

Do you retards even think before you post?
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

But sadly, Republicans don’t want their chicanery exposed, either, so we likely won’t get that.


So that's going to be the talking point all week.

Dems did what they wanted in the House but they don't want to afford the same in the Senate.

That is a REEEEE if there ever was one.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:11 pm to
I believe section 4(c)(1) of the impeachment inquiry resolution gave the chairman sole authority over whether to allow certain witnesses.

House rules change. Your point is moot.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20294 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:14 pm to
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Neither Article is a CRIME your Honor!

Case Dismissed.



Unfortunately, not so fast...the Impeachment/Conviction and Removal process is political, not criminal thus the "crime" in this case doesn't have to violate any statute. Now I think in context and practical application, the Founding Fathers intended there to be an underlying crime involved but as we see with this farce, that Impeachment can be whatever the majority voting in the House wants it to be.

Honestly, the actual vote to Impeach and abuse of authority perpetrated by the House in this case is much more criminal than anything Trump did...they are participating in what is tantamount to a coup.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 8:17 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:14 pm to
I understand your point about the threat of losing a position that provides a livelihood affording due process, but I believe that is limited to employment law, not the Presidency.

Prove me wrong.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131567 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:15 pm to
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House rules change. Your point is moot.


So as long as the Senate doesn’t violate any rules, you will concede it is a fair process?
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