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re: JJ Redick “mentoring” NAW
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:13 pm to Upperdecker
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:13 pm to Upperdecker
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I don’t see why many players would want him as a mentor unless they want to focus on shooting better.
Yeah, why the frick would anyone want to shoot better?
And besides, Redick has only been in the league for 13 seasons and gone to the playoffs every year. I'm sure that neither NAW nor anyone else on the team want to do anything like that.
Posted on 1/18/20 at 10:23 pm to Soggymoss
He does one thing well. He can teach one thing. He hasn’t made the playoffs every year bc he’s carrying his team or contributing in a variety of ways. He shoots the ball good. That’s it. Call my take shitty but he offers nothing to a team except shooting, and that’s exactly what I said
Posted on 1/19/20 at 3:53 am to Upperdecker
Name someone that works harder on his craft than JJ. Hell the man is 35, among the best shooters ever. and is still out there working trying to get better. His defensive game suffers because of his physical limitations.
You can do way worse for a mentor than a guy who shows up 2 hours early for practice to work on his game.
A mentor for a young guy is not just learning his game. It's that mentors work ethics rubbing off on him. Breaking down film with him, learning how to spot what he sees opposing teams are doing to him. Its alot less X's and O's, that's the coaches job.
Take a guy like KAT, he would be a horrible mentor, even though he's great offensively, he has zero work ethic.
You can do way worse for a mentor than a guy who shows up 2 hours early for practice to work on his game.
A mentor for a young guy is not just learning his game. It's that mentors work ethics rubbing off on him. Breaking down film with him, learning how to spot what he sees opposing teams are doing to him. Its alot less X's and O's, that's the coaches job.
Take a guy like KAT, he would be a horrible mentor, even though he's great offensively, he has zero work ethic.
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 4:04 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:26 am to Upperdecker
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He does one thing well. He can teach one thing.
That's like saying Rondo can't be a good mentor because he only knows how to pass. Redick may be known for just one skill, but there is a lot that goes into building up that skill. First and foremost is probably his motor. It's the difference between him being a starting caliber guard on a playoff team and being a bench gunner like Darius Miller.
In addition to his high motor, he knows how to get foul calls, and knows where to be and what to do on defense which lets him play better than his physical gifts should allow him to on that end. And that's just the on court stuff. One of the biggest parts of mentoring comes in the form of teaching guys good practice habits. Young NBA players also pretty frequently credit vets as the ones that taught them "how to take care of their bodies" by getting proper nutrition and rest.
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Call my take shitty but he offers nothing to a team except shooting, and that’s exactly what I said
You didn't just say he brought shooting, you said he had gravity, and then you dimiss that like it's not the most valuable skill in today's NBA. When the team is fully healthy it will not be an easy decision deciding who plays with Zion/Ingram. As "one dimensional" as he is, Redick will be in serious consideration to take minutes away from multiple versatile, 2 way, starting caliber players.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:33 am to Upperdecker
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He does one thing well. He can teach one thing. He hasn’t made the playoffs every year bc he’s carrying his team or contributing in a variety of ways. He shoots the ball good. That’s it. Call my take shitty but he offers nothing to a team except shooting, and that’s exactly what I said
Wow. Just wow.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 8:58 am to Upperdecker
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He does one thing well. He can teach one thing. He hasn’t made the playoffs every year bc he’s carrying his team or contributing in a variety of ways. He shoots the ball good. That’s it. Call my take shitty but he offers nothing to a team except shooting, and that’s exactly what I said
Ok, this take is really shitty.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:13 am to TigerinATL
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It's the difference between him being a starting caliber guard on a playoff team and being a bench gunner like Darius Miller.
The difference is Redick is an elite shooter
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what to do on defense which lets him play better than his physical gifts should allow him to on that end.
Dude is a massive liability on defense. You know that
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Young NBA players also pretty frequently credit vets as the ones that taught them "how to take care of their bodies" by getting proper nutrition and rest
This is why we have trainers and medical staff and nutritionists
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you said he had gravity
As a result of shooting. It’s literally just bc he can shoot
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:17 am to Soggymoss
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Name someone that works harder on his craft than JJ. Hell the man is 35, among the best shooters ever. and is still out there working trying to get better. His defensive game suffers because of his physical limitations.
You can do way worse for a mentor than a guy who shows up 2 hours early for practice to work on his game.
A mentor for a young guy is not just learning his game. It's that mentors work ethics rubbing off on him. Breaking down film with him, learning how to spot what he sees opposing teams are doing to him. Its alot less X's and O's, that's the coaches job.
Take a guy like KAT, he would be a horrible mentor, even though he's great offensively, he has zero work ethic.
Most players won’t benefit enough from focusing entirely on one skill like JJ. That’s why you wouldn’t choose him as a mentor over other players. It’s such a niche role. Most players would benefit more from being well-rounded or focusing on any other skill. Why get a guy like Redick for a mentor when you can get a vet that’s a good 2 way contributor?
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:19 am to Upperdecker
Watch Redick move without the ball. Really watch him. Watch how hard he works.
That dude worked his arse off to keep himself in the league when people said he wouldn’t make it, and he’s worked his arse off to keep himself in the league. Dude is smart, works fricking HARD, and is a winner.
If a guy has stayed in the league that long at a high level, any player could take something from that.
That dude worked his arse off to keep himself in the league when people said he wouldn’t make it, and he’s worked his arse off to keep himself in the league. Dude is smart, works fricking HARD, and is a winner.
If a guy has stayed in the league that long at a high level, any player could take something from that.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:27 am to Fun Bunch
But players could learn more from other vets. That’s my point. We chose a one trick pony to be a veteran presence in the locker room, and he’s too much of a niche for most players to learn from him in depth. Same reason the dude has invited other players to summer workouts for years and never had anyone take him up on it. You’re learning a very niche skill set. Most players have little time to go heavy into targeting one skill set like JJ does. They’re not being paid to be a liability in defense, rebounding, and passing
Edit: everyone can argue that the players need to go learn from him and stuff, but this is a common trend throughout his career. These dudes do it for a living and almost nobody will take him as a mentor or workout with him. Maybe they don’t like him, maybe it’s a personality thing, but I doubt it. I think he’s too unrelatable from a skill set perspective for most players
Edit: everyone can argue that the players need to go learn from him and stuff, but this is a common trend throughout his career. These dudes do it for a living and almost nobody will take him as a mentor or workout with him. Maybe they don’t like him, maybe it’s a personality thing, but I doubt it. I think he’s too unrelatable from a skill set perspective for most players
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:40 am to Upperdecker
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We chose a one trick pony to be a veteran presence in the locker room, and he’s too much of a niche for most players to learn from him in depth.
Yikes.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:49 am to Upperdecker
I don’t know what to say. You’re wrong in my opinion.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 11:19 am to Upperdecker
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everyone can argue that the players need to go learn from him and stuff, but this is a common trend throughout his career. These dudes do it for a living and almost nobody will take him as a mentor or workout with him. Maybe they don’t like him, maybe it’s a personality thing, but I doubt it. I think he’s too unrelatable from a skill set perspective for most players
I don’t know why this is the hill you’re choosing to die on but the bottom line with Redick is he’s been through more wars than anyone else on the roster by a large margin. He also has the Duke connection and Coach K endorsement, so he immediately has an authoritative voice, even with our own veterans. And unlike the quiet nature that most of the team has, Redick is very much a vocal leader.
As they were matching up during a possession on defense yesterday, Hart started to pick up Beverly, which would have left Redick on Kawhi. JJ almost threw Hart to the ground pushing him towards Kawhi to switch assignments. Jrue probably would have just gone and taken the bad assignment rather than assert his dominance to make the right play.
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/19/20 at 11:38 am to Upperdecker
Keep digging that hole bro. You’re doing great with that gaping hole.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 11:56 am to TigerinATL
JJ going vocal about our team negatively and everyone acting like there’s no reason for nobody wanting to work with him. This isn’t happening in a vacuum, it’s a pattern throughout JJ’s career. He admits it himself. There’s a reason for it. But JJ might as well be Jesus Christ bc he’s the only player on this team that apparently cannot shoulder any blame
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:10 pm to Upperdecker
Players probably don't go work with him in the offseason because the dude is methodical
I forgot which podcast it was on but he outlined his offseason routine. He only takes like 2 weeks off after the season, then he starts his cardio workoits. He doesnt even pick up a basketball until around July. Most guys think of just putting up shots as their workout.
Plus you have to look at where he came from, Embiid and Simmons are not exactly the hardest workers.
And again, mentorship is not teaching a guy how to play, that's the coaches job. Mentoring is showing guys how to work and the type of work is required to play at your highest level possible and to never half arse any play at any time. It's also taking the time before and after practice to get up shots with guys when they're struggling like he did with NAW a few times earlier this season. Redick is probably one of the better mentors for a young player, if they have the want to
I forgot which podcast it was on but he outlined his offseason routine. He only takes like 2 weeks off after the season, then he starts his cardio workoits. He doesnt even pick up a basketball until around July. Most guys think of just putting up shots as their workout.
Plus you have to look at where he came from, Embiid and Simmons are not exactly the hardest workers.
And again, mentorship is not teaching a guy how to play, that's the coaches job. Mentoring is showing guys how to work and the type of work is required to play at your highest level possible and to never half arse any play at any time. It's also taking the time before and after practice to get up shots with guys when they're struggling like he did with NAW a few times earlier this season. Redick is probably one of the better mentors for a young player, if they have the want to
This post was edited on 1/19/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:12 pm to Upperdecker
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JJ going vocal about our team negatively
Link? Are you trying to say his get off my lawn with your pregame snapgrams rant was anti-Pels?
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:17 pm to TigerinATL
Redick missed the game tying shot last night, so he's just being negative..
Just like JRPDbulldog dude only tries to spin everything about the team negatively
Just like JRPDbulldog dude only tries to spin everything about the team negatively
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:30 pm to Upperdecker
These are such bad takes it's mind blowing lol.
Posted on 1/19/20 at 12:48 pm to TigerinATL
Yea the whole pregame thing was bad press
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