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Marine Corps eyes gender-integrated basic training

Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:32 am
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:32 am
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The push to eliminate all gender segregation at Marine Corps camps has more momentum than ever, but analysts and military insiders say there remain major real-world, physical roadblocks to coed basic training and serious questions about whether the Marines can or should follow the lead of the Army, Navy and Air Force.

The Marine Corps last month reportedly commissioned a comprehensive study to examine the benefits and potential pitfalls of moving to more integrated training of male and female Marines.


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Proponents of integration argue that separating men and women is an archaic practice that sends a message of exclusion and suggests that women can’t play equally important roles as men in defending the nation.

Critics argue that it is simply unrealistic to hold all men and women to the same set of stringent physical standards needed for basic training. They point to reports of women failing the Army’s latest physical fitness test at a much higher rate than their male counterparts.


In this retarded world of ours, feelings trump facts and literally billions of years of biological evolution and societal norms. Incredible.

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Some retired Marine Corps officers told The Washington Times that establishing fully gender-blind camps, subsequently holding women to the same physical standards as men, would deliver the same results as the Army’s fitness test or perhaps more drastic gaps in performance.


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Even the most ardent proponents of integration say the Marine Corps leadership already has decided that coed training is wrong.

“I would be absolutely shocked if they didn’t reach the foregone conclusion that integrating boot camp would be negative to the Marine Corps,” retired Lt. Col. Kate Germano, a 20-year Marine Corps veteran, told The Times.

“Rather than invest in another study about whether or not the Marine Corps legacy will be disrupted [by integrating basic training], maybe we should be studying the value women present to the military instead,” she said. “Our national security is potentially at stake.”




Let me tell you something, ma’am, if our National security were really at risk, they would be getting every able bodied man out there and having him serve.

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Col. Germano’s last assignment was commanding the all-female 4th Recruit Training Battalion at Parris Island, South Carolina. Although relieved for allegedly allowing a hostile work environment in the unit, she said her superiors never supported her goal of holding female Marine Corps recruits to the same standards as male recruits.


Can you imagine the back biting that went on in that unit?

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In a statement to The Times, a Marine Corps spokesman said the service is “always seeking to improve” itself. The spokesman said the Marine Corps is integrated at the company level for entry level training and “seeks to maximize these opportunities when it makes sense in relation to shipping cycles, personnel and facilities.”


Except for when you actively seek out a way that has been proven to do more harm than good.

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The spokesman said the Marine Corps plans to have eight integrated companies conducting entry-level training at Parris Island by the end of the fiscal year in September.

Integrated companies consist of platoons that remain separated by gender, but Marine Corps officials say the growing number of coed companies underscores their effort to keep men and women together as much as possible during the 13-week training regimen.

Such steps toward integration are too slow for some lawmakers. Rep. Jackie Speier, California Democrat, introduced legislation this summer that would prohibit the separation of men and women at Marine recruiting depots.


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Other Democrats, including Marine veterans, said in interviews that the idea should be explored. But they also conceded that the Marine Corps, with its historically high training standards and intense set of physical demands on recruits, will prove harder to integrate than other branches of the military.

“The Marine Corps is largely an infantry organization, and the infantry organizations have always been resistant to integrating women into it,” said Rep. Ruben Gallego, Arizona Democrat and Marine Corps veteran. “So I think it’s been in other armed forces [branches] they’ve been so used to working with women in different parts of the military that it was much quicker for them to integrate into this. I think this is probably the final block, and I think they’ll find — like I saw when I did go on patrol with female Marines — that [women will be] as capable as any other Marine.”


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Supporters of more integrated training often make a similar point: In the field, women have proved to be as useful and reliable as men. Personal anecdotal experiences are just one piece of the equation, though. The latest Marine Corps study will dig much deeper into the concept of gender and military training.

The analysts are expected to use data and research dating back to the 1990s or perhaps even earlier. Critics of the looming report say such an approach is flawed because many factors dealing with women in the military have changed, including the perception of physical and mental capabilities.


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“There is a concern about how the Marine Corps is framing how they want the study directed,” Col. Germano said. “But this wouldn’t be the first time.”

Other retired Marine Corps officers said factors beyond physical performance should be examined. For example, they said, some female drill instructors enjoyed having “their own world” where they did not have to compete with men for power and position.


Col. Germano is so butthurt over the USMC relieving her lmao. Just like a woman, holding a grudge and never letting it go, and it’s never her fault.



This post was edited on 12/17/19 at 8:42 am
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:33 am to
frick that shite
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
42696 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:35 am to
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women can’t play equally important roles as men in defending the nation


Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:36 am to
They should be doing studies on how to integrate Trannies into the USMC recruit training programs.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:36 am to
You honestly have to be pretty fricking retarded to actually believe women add value to the military in general, much less an organization like the Marine Corps. They’re a net loss on effectiveness and efficiency. It’s not even debatable.
This post was edited on 12/17/19 at 8:38 am
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:38 am to
Agreed
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24037 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:38 am to
Israel put their women on the front lines during the first phase of its existence. Having many of them raped to death changed their minds.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:38 am to
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Critics argue that it is simply unrealistic to hold all men and women to the same set of stringent physical standards needed for basic training. They point to reports of women failing the Army’s latest physical fitness test at a much higher rate than their male counterparts.


Groundbreaking I tell you...
Posted by VolsOut4Harambe
Atlanta, GA
Member since Sep 2017
13506 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:38 am to
Dumb shite like this is why Trump got elected.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
63908 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:42 am to
Can we please remove these social engineering fricks that keep promoting this total horseshite?
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19787 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:47 am to
Let me point out something they probably won't put into writing in their study. I have spent considerable time in and around Basic Training environments. Take a bunch of 19, 20, 21 year old men and women and put them in a stressful, physically challenging environment. Testosterone production of the men goes through the roof. That shite gets the women fired up as well. It is science, not SJW mumbo babble.

You put men and women together in that environment and they will be screwing like rabbits. Dudes will be fighting over chicks. The women will be fighting each over for the Alpha male. It will be chaos.

I can just imagine a Marine DI trying to deal with a lover's quarrel and some 20 year old female recruit in his office crying about what she is going to tell her hubby back home in the trailer when he finds out she got knocked up in the fifth week of Basic.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20500 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:49 am to
Lower standards across the board, mark it down.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:52 am to
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You honestly have to be pretty fricking retarded to actually believe women add value to the military in general, much less an organization like the Marine Corps. They’re a net loss on effectiveness and efficiency. It’s not even debatable.


I’ve said this for years after you and I discussed this a while ago. Every time I get crazy looks. Then when I ask the people I’m speaking with about what women add to the military other than numbers, they really can’t answer.
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7611 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 8:53 am to
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They should be doing studies on how to integrate Trannies into the USMC recruit training programs.


Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:23 am to
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33046 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:25 am to
Don't the Israelis have some pretty bad arse female soldiers?

Seems like we could find a place for female combat troops, just not by pretending they are exactly the same as men
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:26 am to
Navy loses female sailors everytime they get deployed. Somehow they manage to get themselves knocked up during the deployment. It's a shitshow.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
42696 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:27 am to
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Then when I ask the people I’m speaking with about what women add to the military other than numbers, they really can’t answer.



Diversity, it’s our strength.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32644 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:27 am to
Allow women to participate in the same training, and hold them to the same standards. Don’t lower any standards. It’ll all sort itself out
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 12/17/19 at 9:34 am to
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They should be doing studies on how to integrate Trannies into the USMC recruit training programs.



They could make a movie with one. That sort of filmmaking seems to have, um, found its niche.
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