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Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:26 pm to NikolaiJakov
The one thing that ruined the Heavyweight division was Don King. His greed and basic robbery of fighters caused many of fight not to be made.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:32 pm to NikolaiJakov
What's funny about this is, I couldn't tell you who was the heavyweight champ today....
Why is that....? Heavyweight was the shite back then...
Why is that....? Heavyweight was the shite back then...
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:35 pm to NikolaiJakov
Ali was the greatest without question.
His reach and jab, abiltiy to slip punches, and underrated power took out all styles.
His greatest glory came on the downside of his prime - after the lay-off.
I'm surprised anyone would even try to debate this.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:36 pm to NikolaiJakov
Where's Rocky Marciano?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:36 pm to NikolaiJakov
Lennox isn't #1, but he'd absolutely work Tyson if both in their primes.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:38 pm to NikolaiJakov
Interesting question, usually GOAT discussions depend on the criteria, so we mean best career or who was the best when they were at the top of their game, even if it was brief. If you go by the second criteria, it would be hard to argue against Mike Tyson. The dude was legitimately an animal in the ring for a few years.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:39 pm to Hangover Haven
Ruiz because he got lucky
Wilder because they duck folks
Wilder because they duck folks
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:42 pm to sms151t
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Ruiz because he got lucky
Wilder because they duck folks
Agree on Ruiz. We'll see if Joshua is legit in the rematch.
Wilder-Ortiz will probably go like the first fight, which means Wilder-Fury will be the monster match.
Until the winner fights Joshua (assuming he wins).
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:44 pm to sabes que
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Interesting question, usually GOAT discussions depend on the criteria, so we mean best career or who was the best when they were at the top of their game, even if it was brief. If you go by the second criteria, it would be hard to argue against Mike Tyson. The dude was legitimately an animal in the ring for a few years
Agree. And even how they performed in their era vs how you think they'd fare head to head changes the dynamic.
For example, I don't think Tyson could beat Ali, but I think Lennox or Holmes could beat Ali head to head just because they have the same tools he did plus more power.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:45 pm to Mizz-SEC
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Ali was the greatest without question.
His reach and jab, abiltiy to slip punches, and underrated power took out all styles.
Ali had a great chin as well. Lennox while not a "glass jaw" didn't have the chin or recovery ability of Ali.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:46 pm to SoFla Tideroller
a prime Holmes would have worked Tyson. That left jab was a monster. The thing I loved about holmes until the end was he fought all the mandatory contenders. Then King did his magic and the IBF became a thing. I still say to this day Holmes was robbed vs Spinks. It was the worst decision in pro fighting I had seen until that time. Then the Hagler Leonard fight happened and the ultimate robbery happened. Nobody can convince me Leonard did not have people on the take in Vegas. He never lost a fight there, hell Hearns owned him in the rematch and they called it a draw.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:47 pm to sms151t
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Ruiz because he got lucky Wilder because they duck folks
Who the frick are those guys...
I not so much a huge fan of boxing, but I knew who all the champs were until the 2K...
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:47 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Lennox isn't #1, but he'd absolutely work Tyson if both in their primes.
Tyson in 5
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:47 pm to sms151t
Agree with you on all of that except the Spinks stuff but that's just because I've never watched both fights start to finish.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:50 pm to NikolaiJakov
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I just don't see it. Lost to Norton, who was marginal, lost to Spinks, who wasn't even marginal, lost to Frazier in his prime, beat the Zora Folleys and Chuck Wepners of the world and got a lot of attention for it because he was controversial.
Frazier was better than anyone Lewis fought. Most of the top heavyweights have a loss or two in their prime. Lewis had McCall and Rahman.
Marciano and Louis had better records, but they weren't fighting multiple fights vs top ten alltimers like Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton and guys in that era did.
Ali also lost a few late in his career after the Parkinsons was evident. I'm not sure it's fair to ding him for that, because it's less a comment on his skill than it is him not knowing when to quit.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:50 pm to NikolaiJakov
Tyson when D'Amato, Baranski, and Rooney were training him.
Don King ruined that career.
Ali and Frazier closely after Tyson.
Don King ruined that career.
Ali and Frazier closely after Tyson.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:52 pm to Hangover Haven
You should get back into it. You might be surprised to see the Heavyweight champions nowadays are all 6'5"-6'9".(Except Ruiz. He's built like me).
Wilder has the best right hand since Shavers. I'm not his biggest fan but every fight he's in will be fun to watch.
Fury might be the best and most entertaining of all and looks like a 6'9" Gru (you'll get that if you have kids)
There are a bunch of young heavyweights built like a Tyson, only much taller coming on right now.
And that's just heavyweights. Lower classes are decent too. Light Heavys especially if Canelo sticks around.
Wilder has the best right hand since Shavers. I'm not his biggest fan but every fight he's in will be fun to watch.
Fury might be the best and most entertaining of all and looks like a 6'9" Gru (you'll get that if you have kids)
There are a bunch of young heavyweights built like a Tyson, only much taller coming on right now.
And that's just heavyweights. Lower classes are decent too. Light Heavys especially if Canelo sticks around.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:55 pm to Rep520
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Ali also lost a few late in his career after the Parkinsons was evident. I'm not sure it's fair to ding him for that, because it's less a comment on his skill than it is him not knowing when to quit.
Yeah. I don't hold Holmes or Berbick against him because he needed to be on the couch when those fights happened.
But he was 39 when he fought Berbick. Liston was at least 37 when Ali beat him the first time.
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