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Federal Reserve economist says growth would have been better with negative interest rates

Posted on 10/24/19 at 6:47 am
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 6:47 am
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In a recent research paper, San Francisco Fed economist Jens H.E. Christensen looked at the results of five foreign central banks that implemented subzero rates starting in 2012, when the Danish National Bank first went negative. In each case, the move immediately brought government rates down and helped loosen up those economies.


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Had the U.S. done the same, Christensen wrote, its growth rate after the financial crisis might have been better. The U.S. Federal Reserve took its benchmark rate down to a target range of zero to 0.25% at one point, but never crossed the threshold to go negative.

“Evidence that the U.S. post-crisis economic recovery was constrained by this policy choice ... suggests that mildly negative U.S. policy rates from 2009 to 2011 could have supported higher economic growth and eventually pushed up inflation closer to the Federal Reserve’s target,” he said.


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Using those subzero rates, he said, reflects “the shared belief that zero is either a real or self-imposed constraint was wrong and was no longer valid.”


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And here’s the link to the actual study: LINK

Hopefully this research clears up some of the confusion some posters have regarding negative rates. The number zero is just a construct we have in our minds, but isn’t valid. If we had pursued negative rates during the 2008 recession according to this research we would have been better off. Right now we are at a disadvantage because the rest of the world has such low interest rates relative to ours the real value of the dollar increases, and this appreciation reduces U.S. net exports and the quantity of goods and services demanded shifting the aggregate-demand curve left. This is not helpful and Trump / Mnuchin understand this.
Posted by iAmBatman
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 6:51 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 7:00 am to
a bubble always looks like a stronger economy...until it pops
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 7:08 am to
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a bubble always looks like a stronger economy...until it pops


What bubble are you referencing? Are you implying we currently are in a bubble?
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 8:00 am to
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What bubble are you referencing?

The one where other economies appear strong due to artificially low interest rates that aren't sustainable and quite rapidly promote inflation.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 8:02 am to
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The one where other economies appear strong due to artificially low interest rates that aren't sustainable and quite rapidly promote inflation.


We've been on the low side of inflation target for years despite QE and low rates.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 8:12 am to
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What bubble are you referencing?


Dis one sir... Bubble
Posted by Shepherd88
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 10:00 am to
And Europe’s economy seems to be booming with their negative interest rates lol
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 11:46 am to
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The one where other economies appear strong due to artificially low interest rates that aren't sustainable and quite rapidly promote inflation.


What economies specifically are you referencing? We appear to be in a global slowdown bordering recession outside of the U.S.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 12:06 pm to
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Right now we are at a disadvantage because the rest of the world has such low interest rates relative to ours the real value of the dollar increases



The value of the dollar increasing is impossible to distinguish from the value of, for instance, the Euro decreasing on the global scale. The reason the value of the Euro decreasing relative to the dollar? Negative rates. It isn't a coincidence.

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We appear to be in a global slowdown bordering recession outside of the U.S


Your first comment was that you didn't recognize there was a bubble. Your second one shows that you understand that we are witnessing the comedown/collapse of the bubble of economic "growth" and "prosperity" which were, in retrospect, could easily be simply the product of inflation.
For you to recognize things are slowing surely implies that you understand things were recently/previously "good" or "strong," right? Or growing? What SFP, if I understand him, and myself implied is that negative rates caused an unsustainable (like a bubble) period of growth that we are seeing the end of, and I am calling negative rates a cause of the situation.



ETA: further, I am suggesting that a negative rate here would have promoted higher, unsustainable growth that would lead to another crisis.
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 12:10 pm
Posted by Boatshoes
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:22 pm to
On behalf of all productive savers in this world...

....go to hell.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:23 pm to
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UpstairsComputer


It’s clear you don’t understand how inflation effects the money supply.
This post was edited on 10/24/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:24 pm to
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myself implied is that negative rates caused an unsustainable (like a bubble) period of growth that we are seeing the end of, and I am calling negative rates a cause of the situation.


Monetary policy disagrees with you. You need to take a basic macro-economics course.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:25 pm to
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On behalf of all productive savers in this world... ....go to hell.


Okay just put your money in equities which have a much more favorable yield.
Posted by LSUcam7
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 1:53 pm to
As much as I get downvoted in the fantasy board it’s nice to know I’m not the most hated person on TD.com.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 2:18 pm to
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And Europe’s economy seems to be booming with their negative interest rates lol


and all that hyperinflati- oh, wait.
Posted by DeathAndTaxes
Member since Oct 2019
238 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 2:51 pm to
You can’t use a study that benefits from hindsight to justify that negative interest rates make sense in the present.

And do you honestly believe that what is “holding the economy back” is the availability or cost of money?

Or do you suppose it is more likely that uncertainty regarding policy, trade, and global recession concerns might be to blame?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/24/19 at 2:57 pm to
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It’s clear you don’t understand how inflation effects the money supply.
It’s the other way around. And the correct word is “affects.”
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:01 pm to
Yeah well manipulating markets have consequences. The fed's manipulation of interest rates has always had consequences.

I am not an END THE FED guy but I am an end the Fed setting of discounts rates guy. Let them float--the economy will instantly respond.

Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 10/24/19 at 3:59 pm to
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Yeah well manipulating markets have consequences. The fed's manipulation of interest rates has always had consequences.

I am not an END THE FED guy but I am an end the Fed setting of discounts rates guy. Let them float--the economy will instantly respond.


We can’t have a fractional reserve banking system without the FOMC setting the discount rate.
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