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re: The Nuremberg Trials
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:56 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:56 pm to LSURussian
quote:
If you shoot at your neighbor who is minding his own business standing in his yard and he gets a gun and shoots back to defend himself, both of you have taken the same action.
But, YOU are going to jail, not him.
Hardly a valid argument considering the one who shot back is also the arresting officer, judge and jury in the criminal proceedings. Of course you're not going to jail in that particular instance.
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Posted on 10/6/19 at 4:57 pm to memphis tiger
quote:did Nazi that coming
Are you really starting a thread sympathizing with a Nazi leader?
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:01 pm to RollTide1987
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Rudolf Hess is one of those men. He was the leader of the Nazi Party until he mysteriously hijacked a plane and crash-landed it in Great Britain in 1940. He wanted to broker peace talks between the Allies and Germans. The dude spends the rest of the war as a POW, gets put on trial in Nuremberg, and found guilty of - get this - crimes against peace.
That’s a whole lot of BS.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:12 pm to Jim Rockford
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The alternative would have been drum head courtmartials followed by immediate executions, or even just mass roundups followed by executions.
Potentially false dichotomy.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:20 pm to BuckyCheese
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I find "laws" for warfare amusing.
The systematic extermination of 6 million men, women, and children is not warfare.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 5:32 pm to TheFonz
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My fourth cousin once removed got 20 years
What does 'once removed'mean? I always hear that and have no clue what it means.
Also, I think you're lying.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:20 pm to RollTide1987
Were the US bombs on Japan legal?
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:20 pm to RollTide1987
They were show trials. A dog and pony show.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:25 pm to supadave3
I think it means second cousin.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:37 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
Were the US bombs on Japan legal?
Yes.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:39 pm to supadave3
Baldur Von Schirach
Our common ancestor was Arthur Middleton, who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Middleton is my great-great-great-great-great grandfather.
As far as the once removed thing, beats the hell out of me. Once I read about the connection, I used the
cousin calculator to figure out how Schirach and I were kin.
Even my grandfather looked kind of like him:
Von Schirach:
Our common ancestor was Arthur Middleton, who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Middleton is my great-great-great-great-great grandfather.
As far as the once removed thing, beats the hell out of me. Once I read about the connection, I used the
cousin calculator to figure out how Schirach and I were kin.
Even my grandfather looked kind of like him:
Von Schirach:
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:41 pm to USMEagles
quote:
Potentially false dichotomy.
The Russians weren't going to let bygones be bygones.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:43 pm to supadave3
quote:A first cousin once removed is the child of your first cousin. A second cousin is someone you share a great grandparent with.
What does 'once removed'mean?
I think.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:44 pm to Dandy Lion
quote:
I think it means second cousin.
Nope. I looked this up recently because I was always confused as frick about what it meant, too.
Siblings share both pairs of grandparents.
First cousins share only one pair of grandparents, unless you're in Alabama.
Second cousins share only one pair of great grandparents.
Third cousins share only one pair of great great grandparents, and so on.
As our Alabama example shows, if two people share more than one pair of ancestors at any level, there's some inbreeding going on. Most cousins (outside Alabama) start sharing multiple sets somewhere around third or fourth cousins. Very quickly, it becomes completely impossible to not have some level of inbreeding simply because the number of ancestors required grows exponentially and populations just aren't big enough to have no inbreeding.
Removal is when you're describing cousin relationships that skip generations. For example, my first cousin's kids are my first cousins once removed and my parents' first cousins are also my first cousins once removed.
My first cousin's grandkids are my first cousins twice removed and my grandparents' first cousins are also my first cousins twice removed. This also applies to higher degrees of cousins. So, my second cousin's kids are my second cousins once removed.
Of course in this discussion of removal, we're also excluding Alabama where your sister is also your first cousin (and wife) and your uncle dad is also your first cousin, once removed... on your mom's side.
EDIT: I just remembered there is one non-Alabama reason first cousins can share all four grandparents. It's when your parents' siblings have kids with each other, like when two brothers marry two sisters.
This post was edited on 10/6/19 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:47 pm to RollTide1987
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Rudolf Hess was not a "wartime consigliere." By the start of the war, Hess had been finding himself in disagreement more and more with what Hitler
No. Hess was pushed aside in wartime Germany because his role had little to do with the war. Hess was jealous and insane. He wasn’t the peaceful voice of reason within the Nazi hierarchy.
His office was responsible for drafting laws and reviewing sentences handed out by the courts. He sent many people to their death simply because he deemed them enemies of the party. He was spared the gallows because the holocaust didn’t ramp up until he was out of the picture.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:49 pm to Ghost of Colby
Another fun fact: Ronald Spiers (Band of Brothers) served as governor of Spandau Prison for a time
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:57 pm to Ghost of Colby
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His office was responsible for drafting laws and reviewing sentences handed out by the courts. He sent many people to their death simply because he deemed them enemies of the party.
Okay. But he wasn't on trial for any of that as he successfully argued that these were the inner workings of a sovereign state made before hostilities were ever declared. Stalin had millions of his own people killed in the interwar period and yet he and the people who carried out the sentences were never so much as questioned by a military tribunal.
He was found guilty of crimes against peace and planning a war of aggression. He was found not guilty of war crimes and not guilty of crimes against humanity. The dude absolutely 100% did not deserve life imprisonment.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 6:59 pm to RollTide1987
If you believe in the idea of a greater good or lesser evil we should have never entered the war on the side of the Soviets, that decision cost a hundred million people their lives.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 7:05 pm to Dandy Lion
"Albert Speer did nothing". As Hitler's architect, he was responsible for massive building projects across Germany. Projects that required 100,000's of slave labor to build them. He was also involved in the building of the underground rocket sights, in conditions worse than most death camps, resulting in the horrible deaths of 1000,s of slave laborers. When he was released from prison, he openly mocked the allies for being fooled so easily. Hess was a rabid, hard core Hitler supporter who had a lot of input in the Nuremberg Laws, laws that gutted Germany's Jews of their legal rights. He was as big a rabble rousing Nazi speech giver as any of the inner circle. And as noted, it was the Russians, not the Nuremberg judges, who kept him in prison all those years.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 7:06 pm to Jim Rockford
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russians
frick the russians. We should have destroyed them when we had the chance.
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