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Was quarterback development ever an issue?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:01 pm
Maybe not. After all Coach E was a quarterback. It seems that the scheme was the issue and not having a scheme that fits the quarterbacks you had. Spread qb's under center not good.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:02 pm to Tiger on the Rag
how do you develop a qb unless you have an offensive scheme that allows them to put theory into practice ?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:03 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Yes, QB development was a huge part of the offensive stuggles.
However offensive scheme remains the main culprit.
However offensive scheme remains the main culprit.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:04 pm to Tiger on the Rag
I don't think you can ever just pin it all down to one thing. The scheme may have been an issue, but I don't think we were recruiting the most talented throwers either.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:05 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Yes.
Burrow came here already very developed. He didn't have great numbers last year, but you could tell he made good decisions and was in command. The offense just sucked.
We've had years where the QB looked lost and the offense sucked.
Burrow came here already very developed. He didn't have great numbers last year, but you could tell he made good decisions and was in command. The offense just sucked.
We've had years where the QB looked lost and the offense sucked.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:09 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Mettenberger came in here and lit it up so yes, QB development was an issue.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:12 pm to Tiger on the Rag
It is definitely scheme.
I am not saying all out prior QBs woudl have been this good, but they would have all looked better.
We used to ask our QB to do things NFL QBs do all while ignoring that at least 50% of NFL QBs don't even do those things well.
You can say "oh recruiting to fit"
are there are lot of QBs out there in high school that process at an NFL level?
I am not saying all out prior QBs woudl have been this good, but they would have all looked better.
We used to ask our QB to do things NFL QBs do all while ignoring that at least 50% of NFL QBs don't even do those things well.
You can say "oh recruiting to fit"
are there are lot of QBs out there in high school that process at an NFL level?
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:13 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Perhaps Joe Brady might help a little bit in this area
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:15 pm to Tiger on the Rag
A. Scheme was definitely an issue
B. notice our 3 best QBs post Flynn have all been transfers?
B. notice our 3 best QBs post Flynn have all been transfers?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:15 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Other than the one season with Mettenberger when LSU's defense necessitated doing away with the risk-averse approach, Les never put his QB's in a position to succeed. His approach to the QB position and offense in general was "just don't frick things up" instead of actually putting them in position to be explosive.
Les would rather eek out a win vs. a 20 point underdog than run the risk his QB could throw an INT by going over the middle of the field in the redzone. He went into every game hoping to "just enough" on offense to win rather than allowing the offense to potentially be great. Only when he was forced to throw caution to the wind did you get glimpses of what the offense could do.
2008 forever ruined him. From that point on he would rather have a terribly below-avg offense than ever run the risk of pick-6's again. The problem was he failed to realize a big part of the interceptions was Lee's proclivity to become absolutely panic-stricken in the face of even slight pressure
Les would rather eek out a win vs. a 20 point underdog than run the risk his QB could throw an INT by going over the middle of the field in the redzone. He went into every game hoping to "just enough" on offense to win rather than allowing the offense to potentially be great. Only when he was forced to throw caution to the wind did you get glimpses of what the offense could do.
2008 forever ruined him. From that point on he would rather have a terribly below-avg offense than ever run the risk of pick-6's again. The problem was he failed to realize a big part of the interceptions was Lee's proclivity to become absolutely panic-stricken in the face of even slight pressure
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:26 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Yes because we were asking kids to come in and essentially speak an entirely different language in order to play Quarterback here.
Imagine going to a college where you speak English but you’re taught in Japanese. And the kids you’re competing with all are being taught in English. It’s just you that’s being asked to do it in Japanese. Not a recipe for success.
Imagine going to a college where you speak English but you’re taught in Japanese. And the kids you’re competing with all are being taught in English. It’s just you that’s being asked to do it in Japanese. Not a recipe for success.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:27 pm to Tiger on the Rag
It was 75% scheme and 25% not developing/not enough talent to begin with
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:56 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Harris was never going to develop as a QB. He was too much of a project and had zero patience. It didn't help that there were so few QB's on the roster that he was second string by default. Also didn't help that Les Miles was directly involved in his development.
Jennings could have been a good, not great QB. But he was also thrust into a starting roll too early and only had Harris (who was clearly getting under his skin) as backup / competition. After his soph year he was benched without a prayer of playing.
Those were the only QB's given a chance while the rest (Mett, Etling, and Burrow) were all transfers. Unless you want to debate the JLvJJ era all over again.
Brennan looks good. Orgeron thought he and McMillan weren't ready so he got Burrow. Therefore Brennan wasn't put in a bad spot too early and has had time to clearly develop. McMillan moved on rightly so, and there is no telling if Narcisse would have benefited from being patient and not moving on before year 2.
Jennings could have been a good, not great QB. But he was also thrust into a starting roll too early and only had Harris (who was clearly getting under his skin) as backup / competition. After his soph year he was benched without a prayer of playing.
Those were the only QB's given a chance while the rest (Mett, Etling, and Burrow) were all transfers. Unless you want to debate the JLvJJ era all over again.
Brennan looks good. Orgeron thought he and McMillan weren't ready so he got Burrow. Therefore Brennan wasn't put in a bad spot too early and has had time to clearly develop. McMillan moved on rightly so, and there is no telling if Narcisse would have benefited from being patient and not moving on before year 2.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:57 pm to Tiger on the Rag
I wouldn't really give E credit for anything with Burrow. No offense, but he came here with 3 years of training from Meyer and company at tOSU.
That's like claiming credit for Mett's full development to Cam Cameron. It's in no way true.
Hell, Crowton had great success with Flynn only to fizzle out after having a developed QB to work with.
It was clearly both.
That's like claiming credit for Mett's full development to Cam Cameron. It's in no way true.
Hell, Crowton had great success with Flynn only to fizzle out after having a developed QB to work with.
It was clearly both.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:12 pm to Tiger on the Rag
quote:
Was quarterback development ever an issue?
Recruitment, development and scheme. It all added up. Top it off with a coach who was set on ball control and playing it safe.....
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:26 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Without this scheme Burrows would look very similar to last year at the end of the year. Good but not great.
There was a change in the plays called toward the end of the year that made us more of a passing threat. But the change of scheme has allowed us to morph into the extremely dangerous passing offense that we are today.
Most kids playing HS ball run spread offenses. That’s why you see freshman QBs come in and do so well. It was very difficult to take a high school QB that ran spread all his life and throw him into a Les Miles offense and expect him to succeed.
There was a change in the plays called toward the end of the year that made us more of a passing threat. But the change of scheme has allowed us to morph into the extremely dangerous passing offense that we are today.
Most kids playing HS ball run spread offenses. That’s why you see freshman QBs come in and do so well. It was very difficult to take a high school QB that ran spread all his life and throw him into a Les Miles offense and expect him to succeed.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:42 pm to Tiger on the Rag
The coaches cant teach em how to throw a wr screen pass. Until burrow none of our qbs since Flynn could execute such a simple throw. I remember all of them either air mailing it or in the dirt or so far behind the wr gets tackled for a loss
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:48 pm to Tiger on the Rag
All I know is that we didn’t have QB/modern offense development before...and now we have it. I like now vs before.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:53 pm to Tiger on the Rag
To the OP's question and assuming he's has in mind more than last year:
- IMO, true Fr QB's will need some development in this system.
- I think after '08, Les's system no longer required QB development other than a very limited sense. It wasn't QB-centric.
- IMO, true Fr QB's will need some development in this system.
- I think after '08, Les's system no longer required QB development other than a very limited sense. It wasn't QB-centric.
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