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Was quarterback development ever an issue?

Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
Cattle Gap Egypt
Member since Jan 2018
6859 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:01 pm
Maybe not. After all Coach E was a quarterback. It seems that the scheme was the issue and not having a scheme that fits the quarterbacks you had. Spread qb's under center not good.
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:02 pm to
how do you develop a qb unless you have an offensive scheme that allows them to put theory into practice ?
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
15878 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:03 pm to
Yes, QB development was a huge part of the offensive stuggles.

However offensive scheme remains the main culprit.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14955 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:04 pm to
I don't think you can ever just pin it all down to one thing. The scheme may have been an issue, but I don't think we were recruiting the most talented throwers either.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:05 pm to
Yes.

Burrow came here already very developed. He didn't have great numbers last year, but you could tell he made good decisions and was in command. The offense just sucked.

We've had years where the QB looked lost and the offense sucked.

Posted by PawnMaster
Down Yonder
Member since Nov 2014
1649 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:09 pm to
Mettenberger came in here and lit it up so yes, QB development was an issue.
Posted by Todd O'Connor
MIke Ditka's Restaurant Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2012
1273 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:12 pm to
It is definitely scheme.

I am not saying all out prior QBs woudl have been this good, but they would have all looked better.

We used to ask our QB to do things NFL QBs do all while ignoring that at least 50% of NFL QBs don't even do those things well.

You can say "oh recruiting to fit"

are there are lot of QBs out there in high school that process at an NFL level?

This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Tigerbythetale
Las Vegas
Member since Aug 2014
1458 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:13 pm to
Perhaps Joe Brady might help a little bit in this area
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7669 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:15 pm to
A. Scheme was definitely an issue

B. notice our 3 best QBs post Flynn have all been transfers?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28528 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:15 pm to
Other than the one season with Mettenberger when LSU's defense necessitated doing away with the risk-averse approach, Les never put his QB's in a position to succeed. His approach to the QB position and offense in general was "just don't frick things up" instead of actually putting them in position to be explosive.

Les would rather eek out a win vs. a 20 point underdog than run the risk his QB could throw an INT by going over the middle of the field in the redzone. He went into every game hoping to "just enough" on offense to win rather than allowing the offense to potentially be great. Only when he was forced to throw caution to the wind did you get glimpses of what the offense could do.

2008 forever ruined him. From that point on he would rather have a terribly below-avg offense than ever run the risk of pick-6's again. The problem was he failed to realize a big part of the interceptions was Lee's proclivity to become absolutely panic-stricken in the face of even slight pressure
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84895 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:26 pm to
Yes because we were asking kids to come in and essentially speak an entirely different language in order to play Quarterback here.

Imagine going to a college where you speak English but you’re taught in Japanese. And the kids you’re competing with all are being taught in English. It’s just you that’s being asked to do it in Japanese. Not a recipe for success.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
13060 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:27 pm to
It was 75% scheme and 25% not developing/not enough talent to begin with
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35476 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:56 pm to
Harris was never going to develop as a QB. He was too much of a project and had zero patience. It didn't help that there were so few QB's on the roster that he was second string by default. Also didn't help that Les Miles was directly involved in his development.

Jennings could have been a good, not great QB. But he was also thrust into a starting roll too early and only had Harris (who was clearly getting under his skin) as backup / competition. After his soph year he was benched without a prayer of playing.

Those were the only QB's given a chance while the rest (Mett, Etling, and Burrow) were all transfers. Unless you want to debate the JLvJJ era all over again.

Brennan looks good. Orgeron thought he and McMillan weren't ready so he got Burrow. Therefore Brennan wasn't put in a bad spot too early and has had time to clearly develop. McMillan moved on rightly so, and there is no telling if Narcisse would have benefited from being patient and not moving on before year 2.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
10484 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 1:57 pm to
I wouldn't really give E credit for anything with Burrow. No offense, but he came here with 3 years of training from Meyer and company at tOSU.

That's like claiming credit for Mett's full development to Cam Cameron. It's in no way true.

Hell, Crowton had great success with Flynn only to fizzle out after having a developed QB to work with.

It was clearly both.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

Was quarterback development ever an issue?


Recruitment, development and scheme. It all added up. Top it off with a coach who was set on ball control and playing it safe.....
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19861 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:43 pm to
Absolutely
Posted by Camel24hrs
Minden La
Member since Nov 2016
263 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:26 pm to
Without this scheme Burrows would look very similar to last year at the end of the year. Good but not great.

There was a change in the plays called toward the end of the year that made us more of a passing threat. But the change of scheme has allowed us to morph into the extremely dangerous passing offense that we are today.

Most kids playing HS ball run spread offenses. That’s why you see freshman QBs come in and do so well. It was very difficult to take a high school QB that ran spread all his life and throw him into a Les Miles offense and expect him to succeed.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59762 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:42 pm to
The coaches cant teach em how to throw a wr screen pass. Until burrow none of our qbs since Flynn could execute such a simple throw. I remember all of them either air mailing it or in the dirt or so far behind the wr gets tackled for a loss
Posted by Genestealer55
ARLINGTON
Member since May 2017
7330 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:48 pm to
All I know is that we didn’t have QB/modern offense development before...and now we have it. I like now vs before.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16547 posts
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:53 pm to
To the OP's question and assuming he's has in mind more than last year:

- IMO, true Fr QB's will need some development in this system.
- I think after '08, Les's system no longer required QB development other than a very limited sense. It wasn't QB-centric.
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