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re: Math weirdness: Infinite gold is not enough
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:52 pm to WildManGoose
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:52 pm to WildManGoose
quote:But an actual 10lb gold bar can be divided into 3 equal parts, so you were unequivocally wrong in your math asssessment.
Dividing the number 10 by 3 is not equivalent to dividing a 10 lb gold bar into 3 equal parts. I didn't say the math was wrong.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:57 pm to HempHead
This thread is an indictment of the public education system in America.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:59 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Now that I think of it, even if you could possibly see past the edge, there would be nothing to see because "seeing" is the reception of photons of light into your eye and......there ain't no photons out there!!!
So, it would simply be a black edge blacker than any black you can possibly imagine
Actually there are suggestions that the universe could actually be older than we believe it to be simply because the light from those farther flung galaxies hasn't gotten to us yet. That's why whenever they talk about mapping or the size of the universe they qualify it with "observable".
Not sure about the manner of the conversation on it speeding up as it expands or slows and begins to contract. If the rate of expansion continues to increase at some point, yes, everything in the night sky will be black. If it starts to contract it would simply move from red shift to blue shift as those galaxies all started to come back at us (as opposed to heading away). We'd see everything.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:00 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:
This thread is an indictment of the public education system in America
I'm still fascinated that there are people in this thread who think that if you measure something into 10 units that means you can never divide it into three equal parts and it's never occurred to them that you could divide by area or by inches long or buy another unit of weight measurement...... War by f****** using strings.......
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:01 pm to WildManGoose
quote:
Dividing the number 10 by 3 is not equivalent to dividing a 10 lb gold bar into 3 equal parts. I didn't say the math was wrong.
What you're failing to understand is that there are different ways to measure something other than pounds. Why cant we divide it into parts of equal length? Assuming constant density then the 10 pound gold bar would have 3 equal parts of 10/3 lbs each.
The only way a 10lb gold bar would not be divisible into 3 equal parts is if the exact number of atoms in that bar added up to a number not divisible by 3, but no one has made that argument.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 7:27 am
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:07 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I mean, 1 dude said in no uncertain terms that you can divide 3 feet into 3 equal parts but not 1 yard
I'm still fascinated that there are people in this thread who think that if you measure something into 10 units that means you can never divide it into three equal parts and it's never occurred to them that you could divide by area or by inches long or buy another unit of weight measurement...... War by f****** using strings.......
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:11 pm to shel311
quote:
I mean, 1 dude said in no uncertain terms that you can divide 3 feet into 3 equal parts but not 1 yard
SMDH
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:11 pm to shel311
You can't measure anything with absolute certainty, certainly not to infinite decimal places. So it can't be done, period. Sorry. The math is correct. The practice is impossible.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:13 pm to WildManGoose
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You can't measure anything with absolute certainty, certainly not to infinite decimal places. So it can't be done, period. Sorry. The math is correct. The practice is impossible.
Another asswipe trying way too hard to sound smart.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:14 pm to WildManGoose
quote:
You can't measure anything with absolute certainty, certainly not to infinite decimal places. So it can't be done, period. Sorry. The math is correct. The practice is impossible
LOL.
Trying to save himself
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:16 pm to ShortyRob
He's just taking the out I gave him on page 6
And not even giving me credit for it
quote:quote:Walk me through your logic here. Is it because humans aren't capable of accurately doing it? Because if that's not your argument, you sound like a moron.
An actual 10 lb gold bar can not be divided into three equal parts, period.
And not even giving me credit for it
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:17 pm to WildManGoose
Yeah this is a problem with base 10 only. Calling 10 lbs "10 lbs" is arbitrary.
Tell you what, I'll create a new weight unit. 3 smorlocks = 10 pounds. There's no reason I can't do this. Each gets 1 smorlock of gold.
Ultimately, though OP is misguided and doesnt realize it, this thread is a good argument why the Imperial System is much better than Metric System. In everyday usage, 12's and 16's are much more divisible than 10.
Imperial was built from what was practical and useful. Metric was built from a slavish cultlike devotion to decimals and the number 10 during the French Revolution, where they just divided and multiplied these bases by 10 without a care for whether it was practical. Now if you're in high school in Europe you might grow from 1.76m to 1.88m, instead of growing 5 inches from 5'9" or 6'2". It just doesn't seem harder to understand because we're less familiar with it. It's dumb, in metric we've taken all human height and said it HAS to be on a scale of about 0 to 2 (or 0 to 20, or 0 to 200, etc). Why would you doo that?
Take a ruler and divide 1 foot into 3 equal parts. (4 inches) Now 2 feet in 3 parts. (8 inches). Now do meters instead (33.3333 cm or 66.66666 cm). It's a lot trickier.
This is why eggs and donuts and beer come in 12 instead of 10. Hard to divide 10 among 3 or 4 people.
So for everyday usage Imperial System is clearly better. But you might still say, yes even though the number 10 is completely arbitrary as a base and not very divisible compared to 12, the fact remains our number system is based in 10 because we happen to have 10 fingers. So for kids learning to convert and stuff adding and removing decimals is just easier. Well, kids are going to learn feet and inches and pounds a gallons and whatnot because it's just part of life. Using a military alphabet might solve problems of B, C. D, E etc all sounding similar but that's not actually a problem that needs a major overhaul. And for serious math, if you're a serious engineer, scientist doing using real world numbers, multiplying a number by 12 or 5,280 isn't fricking difficult to any degree whatsoever. Nor is converting between systems.
Tell you what, I'll create a new weight unit. 3 smorlocks = 10 pounds. There's no reason I can't do this. Each gets 1 smorlock of gold.
Ultimately, though OP is misguided and doesnt realize it, this thread is a good argument why the Imperial System is much better than Metric System. In everyday usage, 12's and 16's are much more divisible than 10.
Imperial was built from what was practical and useful. Metric was built from a slavish cultlike devotion to decimals and the number 10 during the French Revolution, where they just divided and multiplied these bases by 10 without a care for whether it was practical. Now if you're in high school in Europe you might grow from 1.76m to 1.88m, instead of growing 5 inches from 5'9" or 6'2". It just doesn't seem harder to understand because we're less familiar with it. It's dumb, in metric we've taken all human height and said it HAS to be on a scale of about 0 to 2 (or 0 to 20, or 0 to 200, etc). Why would you doo that?
Take a ruler and divide 1 foot into 3 equal parts. (4 inches) Now 2 feet in 3 parts. (8 inches). Now do meters instead (33.3333 cm or 66.66666 cm). It's a lot trickier.
This is why eggs and donuts and beer come in 12 instead of 10. Hard to divide 10 among 3 or 4 people.
So for everyday usage Imperial System is clearly better. But you might still say, yes even though the number 10 is completely arbitrary as a base and not very divisible compared to 12, the fact remains our number system is based in 10 because we happen to have 10 fingers. So for kids learning to convert and stuff adding and removing decimals is just easier. Well, kids are going to learn feet and inches and pounds a gallons and whatnot because it's just part of life. Using a military alphabet might solve problems of B, C. D, E etc all sounding similar but that's not actually a problem that needs a major overhaul. And for serious math, if you're a serious engineer, scientist doing using real world numbers, multiplying a number by 12 or 5,280 isn't fricking difficult to any degree whatsoever. Nor is converting between systems.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:18 pm to WildManGoose
quote:You can mathematically, absolutely.
You can't measure anything with absolute certainty, certainly not to infinite decimal places. So it can't be done, period. Sorry. The math is correct. The practice is impossible.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:24 pm to Jon Ham
Three people check into a hotel room. The manager says the bill is $30, so each guest pays $10. Later the manager realizes the bill should only be $25. To rectify this, he gives the bellhop $5 to return to the guests. On the way to the room, the bellhop realizes that he cannot divide the money equally. As the guests didn't know the total of the revised bill, the bellhop decides to just give each guest $1 and keep $2 as a tip for himself. Each guest got $1 back, so now each guest only paid $9, bringing the total paid to $27. The bellhop has $2. And $27 + $2 = $29 so, if the guests originally handed over $30, what happened to the remaining $1?
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:32 pm to LSUGolfman
A couple of the geniuses in this thread are gonna have trouble with that
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:33 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:You simply can't account for that $1!!!!!
A couple of the geniuses in this thread are gonna have trouble with that
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:33 pm to shel311
quote:
You simply can't account for that $1!!!!!
Obviously he tried to divide it by 3 but just couldn't get it to work out into 3 equal parts.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:35 pm to LSUGolfman
Solid puzzle
Took me a minute to realize the problem
Took me a minute to realize the problem
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:38 pm to LNCHBOX
Dude, you're worse then a kid. You jump in a thread and it's immediately "no, no, wrong, wrong". Its like you googled how to be an insufferable prick. You've replied to everyone of my posts and not once have shown or even tried to show how I'm wrong.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 4:39 pm to WildManGoose
quote:But you ARE wrong
Dude, you're worse then a kid. You jump in a thread and it's immediately "no, no, wrong, wrong"
quote:The answers are all over in this thread, probably dozens of posts show the answer.
and not once have shown or even tried to show how I'm wrong.
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