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Posted on 9/2/19 at 4:36 am
Posted by Scoto_Gaggins
Member since Aug 2019
15 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 4:36 am
So I have two job offers with two different companies with different 401k options. Was wondering what the money board thought was better in the long run. Company "A" offers 7% match from the time I start and until retirement. Company "A" also offers pension. Company "B" offers first 6 years of service match is 2.5%, years 6-8 company match is 5% and once at 9 years of service company match is bumped up to 10% until retirement no matter if you put in or not. Company "B" also offers pension as well.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2858 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 5:14 am to
Depending on years to go before retirement, the 7% seems to be the better because you get more money invested sooner rather than later but you should do the math to confirm. You didn’t mention if the pensions are defined benefits or defined contribution. There is a big difference between those two.
Posted by Scoto_Gaggins
Member since Aug 2019
15 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 5:33 am to
I still have at least 25 years of work left in me I am only 31. Been investing in my 401k with my current employer for 6 years since I started at 25. Both companies will offer a defined benefits pension.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2858 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 6:03 am to
With 25 years to go, maybe the 10% will catch up. Pension benefits should be compared. If they are both decent benefits and you max out the 401k, you should have a comfortable retirement with either one. There are probably other important factors not related to retirement benefits that should weigh more on determining which job to take.
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7560 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 7:59 am to
Which job will make you happier? Which job has the shortest commute?
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
85826 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 8:04 am to
quote:

Which job will make you happier? Which job has the shortest commute?
shite, you're going that far, OP didn't say anything about salary difference and career advancement potential
This post was edited on 9/2/19 at 8:23 am
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 8:55 am to
You need to look at both companies financials and see how well funded their pensions are. Pensions are the first to fall off when times get tight.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40004 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 9:22 am to
The two companies are Shell and Valero
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36990 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 11:09 am to
At the personal level (and without knowing other details that might be relevant) you should work for the company with a good work environment and other good quality of life benefits.

On a financial level (and assuming other things like benefits and take home salary are similar) there's a big difference between getting an extra 4.5% for six years. It would be great if you knew Company B was the only place you wanted to ever work and they would be financially stable for 25 plus years but I don't know how anyone could be confident about those things.

Knowing only the information you provided it sounds like Company A is the better financial return for you as an employee.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
85826 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 11:35 am to
quote:

there's a big difference between getting an extra 4.5% fo
maybe, You don't know the salaries differences
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36990 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 11:49 am to
We're dealing with limited information but even if the salary is something like 80k the extra 4.5% plus compounding adds up quickly and you can't retroactively put more employer contribution money into your 2019 401k five years from now

I don't love the idea of chasing good benefits after putting in a decade of service. That makes you emotionally vulnerable to sticking it out in a job with worse compensation because you feel like you already lost money that you need to get back.

Companies often don't look at employees the same way. Your ability to move up the ladder varies enormously from place to place and if you want to be equally cold about the decision you should insist on the best possible pay and benefits as soon as you can get them. The OP has no guarantee he will be working there seven years from now
Posted by Scoto_Gaggins
Member since Aug 2019
15 posts
Posted on 9/2/19 at 12:09 pm to
Both companies will be similar in pay and benefits. Just was curious what the money board thought was the better 401k option in long run. I do not know what the work environment will be like it’s all about getting luck of the draw of where I would be placed in which department. Yes company B is Shell.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1788 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:29 am to
All the other comments hit on what I was thinking too, but something you said regarding you were 25 and had been working for 6 years... It illustrates you may ultimately change jobs again before this is over.

And to make this even muddier... Shell has awesome 401k options, what does the other company have? If your returns aren't going to be equal, that's going to be quite the spreadsheet!!

Good times.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6722 posts
Posted on 9/3/19 at 4:15 pm to
Pensions

You probably will never hit rule if 85 to collect the pension...if you have any drive or desire to move on

Pensions are a crapshoot these days - I would guess most people under 35 will never collect anywhere close to 100% of initial pension payment estimates.

The big question is how long until you are fully vested in those 401ks????? Because stats show that you will most likely change jobs again.

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