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re: looks like a push to change the limit on spcks in LA is coming or....
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:06 pm to jimbeam
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:06 pm to jimbeam
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jimbeam
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Patiently awaited your reply.
Patient enough to drop that shiny hook. Don't think I didn't know that was for me.
I cannot stand poor wildlife management. It drives me crazy. Absolutely insane. For some reason, everyone and their mom can see the stupidity with which we manage red snapper, but people can't help but turn into complete idiots when it comes to speckled trout.
Same with deer, you have people clamoring for different management of the herd: "who needs more than 3 deer", etc...
What so often people fail to realize is that the question they're asking is not the question that matters. I don't see people going after our liberal sacaulait or bream limits even though "15 is enough for me". It doesn't matter what is "enough" for you, what matters is what is the right amount to accomplish achieving a healthy sustainable population.
Furthermore, the factors that dictate a "healthy, sustainable population" vary wildly from fish to fish and animal to animal. A sustainable speck population is largely determined by mortality and recruitment numbers and what will lead to a speck population that doesnt need supplementation to continue to be viable. But a sustainable black bear population is determined also by human/bear conflict and a sustainable deer population considers crop destruction ad vehicular collisions.
There isn't a one size fits all approach, and anecdotal evidence or personal needs and desires have no place in determining the right harvest rates for game. It needs to be based in science. Period.
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:11 pm to The Last Coco
What it boils down to me is needs vs. Wants. Everyone I've ever fished with that caught their limit of trout didnt keep anywhere near what they caught. Always gave filets away to friends,family and clients. Thays not how this should work.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:16 pm to The Last Coco
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:19 pm to Bedhog
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What it boils down to me is needs vs. Wants. Everyone I've ever fished with that caught their limit of trout didnt keep anywhere near what they caught. Always gave filets away to friends,family and clients. Thays not how this should work.
But that is a completely different discussion vs what the limit should be to manage the population sustainably.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:22 pm to keakar
at "feeding your family" with limits of trout. If you are truly worried about "feeding your family" you can buy groceries for a lot cheaper than a fishing trip.Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:25 pm to redneck
Said it better than I ever could.
I have been an avid inshore fisherman for over 20 years. I have never ever needed to keep 25 fish worth of fillets for my family.
I have been an avid inshore fisherman for over 20 years. I have never ever needed to keep 25 fish worth of fillets for my family.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:28 pm to The Last Coco
I'm good either way, when I go, I think if we catch 10 fish per person that's enough, only because I don't like cleaning any more than that. I remember back in the 60's and 70's when we would go to 4 Bayou's (we'd call it the seashore) and come back with boxes of "cigar trout". They were scaled, gutted and fried whole.
I normally don't measure anyway and know I throw back a bunch of 12" fish. If they are small enough to me to stop and measure I don't want them anyway.
I normally don't measure anyway and know I throw back a bunch of 12" fish. If they are small enough to me to stop and measure I don't want them anyway.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:36 pm to redneck
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"feeding your family" with limits of trout. If you are truly worried about "feeding your family" you can buy groceries for a lot cheaper than a fishing trip.
Agreed. Particularly when it comes to fish (some argument could be made for feeding your family with large mammals like deer, elk, moose, etc...), saying a limit should be left alone to provide for feeding families is equally as unfounded as saying it should be reduced because 15 is "enough" for someone. Fishing is not a money saving endeavor except in extreme situations.
Those discussions, while maybe worthwhile in a larger existential arena, really have no place in determining season and bag limits.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:44 pm to The Last Coco
Fish doesn't hold up anywhere near as good in the freezer in vacuum bags as game does.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:49 pm to KemoSabe65
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We need the COE to rock the ship channel on Cal which would decrease the silt in the lake and dredging costs.
What is the status of that project? I got sent a powerpoint with some of the plans for the rock wall and weir systems they are planning on putting in.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:52 pm to Drunken Crawfish
2040 should be the year 
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:54 pm to keakar
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they did this in big lake, the home of the largest trophy trout fishing anywhere.
the result was an immediate reduction in sizes of fish and numbers of fish. it devastated the fishery there and it has never recovered, its now just an average fishery.
I don't think that them lowering the creel limit has anywhere near the impact on the fishery as the hard freezes in 2017 and the amount of freshwater intrusion from spring rains that the lake has had the last 5 years.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:54 pm to Drunken Crawfish
SONRIS has their permit (2018) received but on hold. I know they had some public meetings last year.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:56 pm to choupiquesushi
Anyone think these places are just getting fished way harder since the introduction of Facebook fishing groups? You have 2-3 ppl post beach reports and there’s 250 boats there the next day. Same goes for any body of water discussed in those groups. Seems like it’s gotta be putting way more pressure on the fish.
Reducing to 15, IF needed, would be cool by me since I rarely catch over that any way
But like coco said, it’s a slippery slope... first it’s 15, then before we know it a decade passes and they’re pushing for 5.. Look at TX
Reducing to 15, IF needed, would be cool by me since I rarely catch over that any way
But like coco said, it’s a slippery slope... first it’s 15, then before we know it a decade passes and they’re pushing for 5.. Look at TX 
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:57 pm to choupiquesushi
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yeah - I just hope this improves the spawning mass and the drop is not habitat related, as is my hunch.
Every single time this has been scientifically examined it has led to the conclusion that your hunch is correct and limits have nothing to do with it. Recreational anglers simply aren’t successful enough for it to matter. Lowering limits is popular because it makes people feel like something is being done about them not catching fish, but in reality it’s all about the habitat.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:04 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Every single time this has been scientifically examined it has led to the conclusion that your hunch is correct and limits have nothing to do with it. Recreational anglers simply aren’t successful enough for it to matter. Lowering limits is popular because it makes people feel like something is being done about them not catching fish, but in reality it’s all about the habitat.
On this note, I'd be all down for having zones for speckled trout. Something tells me the speck population dynamics in Lake Pont have little to no correlation to those in Timbalier Bay. If Breton Sound has thriving populations, leave them at 25 fish/day. If the populations in Barataria are plummeting, lower them there or increase minimum size - whichever makes sense based on the science. They do the same thing with ducks on a national scale and bass from lake to lake. I understand it may be a resource issue with LDWF, but it still would be nice to see more nuanced regulations.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:07 pm to The Last Coco
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Something tells me the speck population dynamics in Lake Pont have little to no correlation to those in Timbalier Bay.
I love fishing Timbalier, but I always feel bad when 95% of the fish I clean are females full of eggs.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:07 pm to The Last Coco
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I understand it may be a resource issue with LDWF, but it still would be nice to see more nuanced regulations.
Florida seems to do it with no issues. This is a good idea since trout tend to stay in the same estuary for their entire life.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:11 pm to The Last Coco
If I recall correctly one of the more interesting things posted last time we had this thread was a study showing a speckled trout never travels very far from where it was hatched. They obviously move in and out with salinity but they don’t migrate east and west. There were distinct populations observed in the various areas of the coast. I think they absolutely could be managed in zones, just comes down to whether or not people are gonna trust the recommendations when it doesn’t fit with their anecdotal experience cause they went out twice and the water was chocolate milk and they didn’t catch shite.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:18 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
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I love fishing Timbalier, but I always feel bad when 95% of the fish I clean are females full of eggs.
You really shouldn’t. A tiny fraction of those eggs would have made it to spawning age even if they were laid. It takes very few females to provide all the fry the environment can support, which is the bottleneck. Even the adults have a 25% per year natural morality rate just due to competiton for food and habitat. Trout are the definition of a live fast and die young species.
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