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A seriously underrated aspect of D-Day and the Allied offensive in France
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:23 pm
was the geographical challenges stacked against the Allies.
The first challenge goes without saying. Storming a beach littered with mines, then ascending a tall bluff manned with German machine guns.
Western France (and most of France in general) is mainly fields bordered by hedges or thin patches of woods. In other words, perfect for camping defenses to pick off advancing offensives.
The Germans not only manned the hiding spots; they also flooded every available floodplain which forced the Allies to use causeways, exposing them to artillery fire.
The fact that the Allies were able to push the Germans back so quickly is nothing short of amazing.
The first challenge goes without saying. Storming a beach littered with mines, then ascending a tall bluff manned with German machine guns.
Western France (and most of France in general) is mainly fields bordered by hedges or thin patches of woods. In other words, perfect for camping defenses to pick off advancing offensives.
The Germans not only manned the hiding spots; they also flooded every available floodplain which forced the Allies to use causeways, exposing them to artillery fire.
The fact that the Allies were able to push the Germans back so quickly is nothing short of amazing.
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:25 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
I don’t think this is underrated at all TBH. It is well documented in any reputable account of the invasion and breakout.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:26 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Can't recall anyone underrating it, well, ever
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:27 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
The greatest generation no doubt
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:30 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
This latest generation of pansies we have produced would never be able to do this again.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:30 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Ike was the GOAT.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:33 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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The fact that the Allies were able to push the Germans back so quickly is nothing short of amazing.
Not enough can he said about the pathfinders dropped in just after midnight to create confusion and hold critical bridges. All this while taking the brunt and slowing down German counter attcks
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:33 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
Pretty sure the breakout of Normandy has been one of the most studied and lauded military campaigns in the history of this country. It's been well documented.
The landings get more publicity, true, but taking the beaches and hedgerows was almost as impressive. People talk about the landings because of the enormous loss of life. That and the logistical planning to make it even come close to happening make it even more impressive.
The landings get more publicity, true, but taking the beaches and hedgerows was almost as impressive. People talk about the landings because of the enormous loss of life. That and the logistical planning to make it even come close to happening make it even more impressive.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:37 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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The fact that the Allies were able to push the Germans back so quickly is nothing short of amazing.
I have three words for you
Total
Air
Supremacy
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:41 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
What are you talking about? This is probably the most covered aspect. Point du Hoc is still covered in basic high school history today.
An underrated aspect of D-day is what they did to General Patton and how they built a fake army to throw off the landing point. The terrain would not be.
An underrated aspect of D-day is what they did to General Patton and how they built a fake army to throw off the landing point. The terrain would not be.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:43 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
WTF. The use of the word underrated has never been more misused. 
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:13 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
I was told today by TD that D-Day was overrated. Now I am confused
Posted on 6/6/19 at 1:16 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
by 2050, the history of WWII will be limited to the contributions of gays and women.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:32 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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was the geographical challenges stacked against the Allies
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A seriously underrated aspect of D-Day and the Allied offensive in France
What are you talking about. Literally every piece on D-Day talks about all of that.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 2:42 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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Western France (and most of France in general) is mainly fields bordered by hedges or thin patches of woods. In other words, perfect for camping defenses to pick off advancing offensives.
The hedgerows were visible in the overhead photos the Allies used to study the area. However, there was a problem. In England these types of hedges were generally very short--they could see past them, step over them, etc. What the overhead photos didn't show was the the hedgerows in France were often very high, averaging 15 feet or so. Made for impossible visibilty, enemy hiding places, and difficult maneuvering.
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Dudes had huge balls to get off the boats and storm the beach, can’t imagine the doors dropping and looking out and seeing what they saw.
Eisenhower wanted younger, newer troops in the first wave. Kids who didn't know what they were up against vs. battle-weary soldiers. He figured those who hadn't yet seen the horrors of war yet would wade right in (no pun intended).
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:06 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
The Germans used the geography to their advantage but really the deck was stacked against the defenders in every other respect. I'd have much rather been on the invading side than the defending side from a pure survival point of view in June of 1944.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:21 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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the geographical challenges stacked against the Allies.
The Rangers at Pointe du Hoc
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:35 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
If you want to talk about a seriously underrated aspect of the D Day invasion, you need to familiarize yourself with Juan Pujol García, also known by his codename Garbo. He was a Spanish double agent, working for both the Nazis and the Allies. He wasn't actually a spy though and had zero training in intelligence or espionage. His entire network of subagents were mere inventions of his mind. He was so convincing though that the allies were able to use him and his "network" to convince the Germans that the D Day invasion was a decoy. The other underrated aspect of Garbo was that because the Allies had his original transmissions to the Germans each day, they had great insight into the set up of the German enigma code for the day. This allowed the allies to decode other German intelligence in real time.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 6/6/19 at 3:51 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
If the Germans just let Rommel do his thing the outcome could have been totally different
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:18 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
And throughout it all, they were slugging it out up the mountainous spine of Italy, with nobody paying attention. They finally made it to the German border in the final days of the war.
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