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re: 2019 Kentucky Derby
Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:40 am to SeeeeK
Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:40 am to SeeeeK
LOL at the people claiming it killed Horse racing. In 2 weeks People will layb wagers in stacks of cash on the preakness, and watch it just like the derby.
Then, 3 weeks later they will watch the Belmont.
Then, 3 weeks later they will watch the Belmont.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 8:44 am to SeeeeK
The reason it took so long for DQ, is that the stewards have to figure out where the #7 goes. He goes behind every horse that was interfered with, or was interfered with from other horses that had to check, etc.
And the DQ was the 100% Obvious call, they were lucky the other West owned horse didn't clip heels and lead to a big fall, with several horses going down and jockeys being trampled. That horse while having his head turned, stepped on outside of leaders leg, and one step inside them. Could of been one of nastiest spills in Derby, had that horse clipped leaders heels because of the shift.
90% that incident would of led to a spill and injuries to horses, jockies, and horse deaths, they got lucky, really lucky.
And the DQ was the 100% Obvious call, they were lucky the other West owned horse didn't clip heels and lead to a big fall, with several horses going down and jockeys being trampled. That horse while having his head turned, stepped on outside of leaders leg, and one step inside them. Could of been one of nastiest spills in Derby, had that horse clipped leaders heels because of the shift.
90% that incident would of led to a spill and injuries to horses, jockies, and horse deaths, they got lucky, really lucky.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:20 am to Cheese Grits
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The issue is safety in an unsafe environment rain or shine. While the jock blamed the horse for veering out if it turns out he let him do so then the jockey will feel the heat at some point in the future. Athletes take short cuts in all sports to gain an uncompetitive advantage and racing is no different.
We will see.
I didn’t see it initially but I knew something was fricked up when the jockey blamed the horse for getting spooked when he was being interviewed by the lady on the horse. Too bad the horse can’t defend himself. Blaming the horse.
I’m not done with horse racing, but that reminded me of an NFL replay of what a catch used to be over the last couple of years. It just seemed hyper technical and led to an unsatisfying result.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:22 am to tigerpimpbot
I told the people i was with, that the horse broke out, he's tired, done. But he kept going(track aided). But the shift out and jockeys having to check, was obvious to everyone, including ray charles
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:25 am to SeeeeK
quote:The ratings for the Belmont will be shite.
LOL at the people claiming it killed Horse racing. In 2 weeks People will layb wagers in stacks of cash on the preakness, and watch it just like the derby.
Then, 3 weeks later they will watch the Belmont.
Probably the Preakness as well.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:29 am to ReauxlTide222
Only retards who have no clue about horse racing and lost cash, possibly might not watch. Those who watch the triple crown races yearly will continue to watch.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:41 am to Clyde Tipton
I had a 1 dollar tri box 2,3,5,8,16 and 17 that ran me 120 bucks.
So I didn't have shite anyways lol.
So I didn't have shite anyways lol.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:46 am to tigerpimpbot
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I knew something was fricked up when the jockey blamed the horse for getting spooked
That stood out to me as well
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:49 am to weagle99
To be fair, there is little a 110lb jockey can do when a 1200lb horse wants to do something. They grab the reigns, and try to pull back.
I've seen a jockey standing up in reigns, pulling as hard as he can to slow a horse down, and the horse did what he wanted, jockey was just a passenger.
I've seen a jockey standing up in reigns, pulling as hard as he can to slow a horse down, and the horse did what he wanted, jockey was just a passenger.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:52 am to SeeeeK
There’s no possibility of a triple crown winner.
That’s what casual fans tune in for.
That’s what casual fans tune in for.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:53 am to ReauxlTide222
quote:
There’s no possibility of a triple crown winner.
That’s what casual fans tune in for.
Go Away
Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:02 am to SeeeeK
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LOL at the people claiming it killed Horse racing.
Americans
The folks in Japan bet more on the Japan Cup than the Triple Crown and Breeders Cup combined.
Just another thing America is letting others grow at their expense.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:27 am to SeeeeK
I don't think what happened in the Derby killed horse racing but it definitely doesn't help the sport. I actually think it's a fairly large blow to a sport that has been consistently losing the American public's interest for a while now, and as a horse racing fan I hate this.
Concerning the DQ in the race, I disagree with it (btw I didn't bet on Maximum Security). Yes, if you go by the letter of the law, I can see the argument that Maximum Security could have impeded the path of 2 of the horses, but this race isn't a claiming or allowance race with 7 or 8 horse. It's the freaking Kentucky Derby, where you can have up to 20 horses in it. You can't expect a clean race with that many horses (just look at all the bumping at the start of the race). If you want a clean safe race than lower the number of horses you put in it (which I don't want to see btw). Then you add the rain with this years race and that makes it even messier. Also add the fact that Maximum Security didn't do anything to impede Countrys House, the eventual winner's, path. The horses that complained were also rans. No horse was physically hurt. I just thought it was a DQ that lacked common sense. I would also be willing to bet that if Maximum Security was trained by Bob Baffert rather than Jason Servis that there would be no disqualification.
Concerning the DQ in the race, I disagree with it (btw I didn't bet on Maximum Security). Yes, if you go by the letter of the law, I can see the argument that Maximum Security could have impeded the path of 2 of the horses, but this race isn't a claiming or allowance race with 7 or 8 horse. It's the freaking Kentucky Derby, where you can have up to 20 horses in it. You can't expect a clean race with that many horses (just look at all the bumping at the start of the race). If you want a clean safe race than lower the number of horses you put in it (which I don't want to see btw). Then you add the rain with this years race and that makes it even messier. Also add the fact that Maximum Security didn't do anything to impede Countrys House, the eventual winner's, path. The horses that complained were also rans. No horse was physically hurt. I just thought it was a DQ that lacked common sense. I would also be willing to bet that if Maximum Security was trained by Bob Baffert rather than Jason Servis that there would be no disqualification.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:35 am to SeeeeK
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The reason it took so long for DQ, is that the stewards have to figure out where the #7 goes. He goes behind every horse that was interfered with, or was interfered with from other horses that had to check, etc. And the DQ was the 100% Obvious call, they were lucky the other West owned horse didn't clip heels and lead to a big fall, with several horses going down and jockeys being trampled
I've been watching horseracing for a long, long time. Since before I can remember. I haven't been to a lot of races live, but a handful of times. My old man LOVED the ponies and might gamble as much as $25 on a race.
(He also never left the racetrack down any money.)
Anyway, I've never seen anything like that in a major stakes race. When he kicked wide in the turn, I thought that was probably too early, but before I could process that I saw him slam into the horse on the rail. So, I said, "That could be 2 fouls right there." Even so, I thought the horse would finish first at that point.
And - full disclosure, I didn't watch it live - it was a replay (but I didn't know the results). Finally, watching the final turn from the front angle, they were all very lucky that the front 2 or 3 horses didn't go down, as that would have involve half a dozen horses and jockeys hitting the deck in that slop - at a minimum, could have gotten to 10 or more.
And that's the race literally everyone on Earth watches. Imagine multiple horses euthanized on the track and jockeys (plural) seriously injured or killed in front of over a billion people.
Do you want to kill your sport? Because that's how you kill your sport.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:52 am to Ace Midnight
Japan has serious horse racing but they focus on turf. We can’t complete with their top class turf horses
Master fencer has a legit shot on a dry track
Master fencer has a legit shot on a dry track
Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:08 am to Ace Midnight
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Finally, watching the final turn from the front angle, they were all very lucky that the front 2 or 3 horses didn't go down, as that would have involve half a dozen horses and jockeys hitting the deck in that slop - at a minimum, could have gotten to 10 or more.
And that is why they had to DQ him.
I watched it and was amazed that the horse he cut off did not clip heels. That horse needs a fine dinner, all the fixings, because he saved several.
I've watched many,many,many horse races and bet on many, and that is a textbook DQ. But, stewards are afraid to make those decisions on big races, which is bullshite.
They did it in the BS classic i believe a couple years back, but didn't take down another horse who did the same in female race.
I give Stewards major stones for making the call, it was the right call.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:19 am to vodka
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Japan has serious horse racing but they focus on turf.
As does most of the rest of the world
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We can’t complete with their top class turf horses
For generations Japan would buy 2nd and 3rd tier US bloodstock then lock their races to outsiders so they were never challenged. May appear to be better but may not in reality be so.
Lost in recent conversations is modern breeding sin the business. Thoroughbred horses were bred for speed and distance from the beginning until the late 90's. Now they are breeding for sprinters and this is not helping the breed. Also, we are running too much youth and all but killed the market for racing past the 3 year old campaign which will cause more problems than solve them.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 11:23 am to SeeeeK
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I watched it and was amazed that the horse he cut off did not clip heels.
I don't think it was quite as close as with the cut off horse, but when he hit the horse on the rail and pulled ahead of him, they came close to getting tangled up, too. If they both weren't so *ahem* stout for 3-year old thoroughbreds, I think it would have happened.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 11:24 am
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