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re: FBI investigation, NCAA, and Wade

Posted on 3/16/19 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by Hoguester
Oxford, MS
Member since Sep 2015
952 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 3:12 pm to
So, everything we know about these recordings is simply CBS’s characterization of their content? Mind blowing. For all we know, these could have been selectively edited. Or, whether it is even Will Wade speaking.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8537 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 3:16 pm to
Why would the tapes be "released" after trial. If they are not admitted into evidence they are not public information. The FBI doesn't just release wiretaps of individuals not on trial. What right does the NCAA have to acquire FBI documents not admissible at trial?

Even if the NCAA submits a FOIA request, there is a good chance these wiretaps are exempt from FOIA.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
31139 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 3:28 pm to
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Maybe, but the prosecutor would have to prove he made the statement to Alleva and sans a recording device, difficult to do, especially if Wade denies.



Not exactly, the case then would come down to credibility. WHo do you, as the jury, believe is telling the truth.

Think of an eye witness in a murder case, the prosecutor doesn't have to prove they saw the murder and who perpetrated it, the jury has to decide if they believe the eye witness.
Posted by Hoguester
Oxford, MS
Member since Sep 2015
952 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 3:31 pm to
Of course, but it’s not taken as gospel by the jury. A good defense attorney should be able to discredit or stir up doubt at least.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
31139 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 3:50 pm to
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good defense attorney should be able to discredit or stir up doubt at least.



Absolutely.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13332 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:01 pm to
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Maybe someone within the NCAA knew of all this and was getting money to keep a lid on it. Maybe the NCAA knows less than I thought.
I believe that's where this is headed. Either through negligence or knowing conspiracy- I truly believe the Feds are going to implicate the NCAA in all this. It's conjecture, but to me it is obvious conjecture.

Look at it this way. The more the FBI investigated Adidas the more crimes, by numerous parties, they found. They found things they didn't even have a sniff of. Accidentally stumbled into other crime. Celebrities, coaches, medicare, charities. They weren't searching for most of this. It fell into their lap, then they investigated.

The common theme is the NCAA and athletics.
Posted by Hoguester
Oxford, MS
Member since Sep 2015
952 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:02 pm to
I still believe that a one on one meeting with just Alleva, or publicly requesting one, has low legal risk for Wade while optimizing the public’s perception that he is not hiding anything, simply protecting himself and LSU from unwanted legal and compliance exposure.
Posted by Hoguester
Oxford, MS
Member since Sep 2015
952 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:05 pm to
Exactly. The NCAA totally reeks of it’s own complete “lack of institutional control”.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13332 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 4:08 pm to
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On 4., I’d like to know what compliance has access to with regard to the players, ie financial, academic, etc in order to ensure compliance.
Players aren't employees; a recent court case just reinforced that once again. So their access to "private" infomation is limited. Doesn't mean a player can't reliquish those rights. But for the most part you can't get into a players financial records. A good example is piss tests. A player voluntarily consented with his FA agreement to abide by NCAA & school policies. So they gave up the right to refuse urine samples. Many other things they did not give up a right too are untouchable by the NCAA and LSU. The way the NCAA does it is request it. If they want to look at your bank accounts they will request it. Remember, they do not have the burden of proof to penalize. You refuse, they assume it's an indication of guilt and penalize you.

Coaches are a whole other matter. They are employees. Just like an employer has a right to search your locker or desk on their property, you gave up certain amount of privacy by being an employee with all sorts of duty, responsibility, and good faith commitments in that contract
Posted by Hoguester
Oxford, MS
Member since Sep 2015
952 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:28 pm to
Guilty until proven innocent, sounds like. Things are looking dim for us at this point. Sure could use some good news.
Posted by LSU_Horne516
Member since Dec 2016
5 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:25 pm to
I’ve heard that they also have proof of Our Lady of the Lake Hospital foundation laundering foundation money to recruits. Anyone else heard or have any information on this?
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:32 pm to



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On # 2, nobody has access to the tapes or the transcripts except the FBI and the parties to the criminal case (US attorney and defendants). If those tapes are not admitted at the second trial (and I do not think they will be), the NCAA will likely never have access to the tapes. The only reason it came is because the defense attorneys leaked parts of the tapes to Yahoo.


One of the recordings of a Wade and Dawkins call was read by Dawkins lawyer to the court, but not admitted as evidence, that makes it public record that anyone can get.

LINK

"This follows the bombshell last October where a transcript of Wade and Dawkins was read aloud in the federal trial."
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 6:34 pm
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13332 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:38 pm to
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I’ve heard that they also have proof of Our Lady of the Lake Hospital foundation laundering foundation money to recruits. Anyone else heard or have any information on this?
Here's how I understand where we are at with OLOL, and I'm not well-informed on that (is anyone yet?) so take with grain of salt, and corrections to what I type are welcome:
- audit, that was already underway, turned up $800k missing
- somehow, someway, it is tied to LSU because something prompted notice to LSU
- we do NOT know if that is the school, athletics, or both "tied to"
- it is pure, 100%, assumption and speculation that $800k went to recruits in total or partial.

In short, $800k is missing. Nothing released, if known, where it went. The timing seems to be leading to assumptions that it went to athletics. But remember, it's not like that audit was kicked off by the Wade wiretap. It MAY have been kicked off by that, or other, FBI investigation. Then again it may have been required for some other reason or maybe even periodic and the timing is purely coincidental. We do not know why that audit was being conducted. Only that it was or is still ongoing and something found caused them to notify LSU counsel.
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8537 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:40 pm to
Okay. The only thing available is this lawyer's cherry picked portions of a recording. The recording is not available.
Posted by SOCAL TIGER
SOCAL
Member since Jan 2005
10724 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:17 pm to
You never talk to anyone if you could possibly be a suspect in a criminal investigation. The reason is that interview and it’s oarticipsnts can be subpoenaed and questioned. We’ve gone over this 1000 times. You don’t talk.

Wade can be criminally charged if he offered to bribe a player in an existing FBI investigation. You can’t bribe players and HAVE any proof you did it.

Others get away with it because there was no wire to confirm it.
Posted by Irish LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2014
2456 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:29 pm to
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The less Wade says the better position he’s in to defend himself if litigation heads his way following his April testimony.

What litigation could be headed WW's way based on what he might say to JA & the NCAA?
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A meeting with your boss is fine, but when your boss invites the NCAA in, it becomes less of a meeting with your boss and more of a Kangaroo Court where you’re on trial for your job with no defense attorney or jury.

WW has no "say-so" concerning who his employer invites to a meeting. WW signed a contract that requires him to cooperate with any investigation by LSU, NCAA or the SEC.
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it’s the athletic department for being too aggressive with how they’re handling the situation

Too aggressive???? They are trying to lessen the NCAA sanctions that are coming our way by demonstrating "institutional control."
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The only parts of the tapes anyone has access to were leaked by the defense attorney

You don't know this for certain.
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LSU has no real reason to start a heavy handed investigation

(see above on institutional control)
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Nobody has any obligation to investigate based on purely media reports.

Incorrect. The NCAA has an obligation to investigate if the information (from media, phone call, etc) indicates a violation and seems credible.
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The compliance department can’t necessarily investigate things they don’t know about.

Not a valid "excuse" anymore concerning NCAA violations. This used to be everyone's excuse but the NCAA has developed the term "lack of institutional control" in an effort to crack down on cheating.
Posted by Hoguester
Oxford, MS
Member since Sep 2015
952 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:30 pm to
If you’ve got nothing to hide, then what’s the harm? If he’s guilty, then sure, clam up. My point is that talking with his boss and answering questions is not an unusual thing in any employment setting. If it’s one on one, he can show good faith and limit legal exposure. I don’t care if you’ve talked about it a million times, that doesn’t make it the best plan of action. My questions are, in fact, challenging the TD conventional wisdom on this.
Posted by BigLSUBaller
Member since Mar 2019
11 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:42 pm to
LSU fans should all understand LSU is linked to a FBI investigation looking into money from a Children's charity being diverted to paying families of LSU athlete's. This makes everything else at LSU look like child's play. FBI now has Carte Blanche to look into the entire football operation, they will subpoena players, parents, coaches, booster and above it all they have a cooperating witness that's looking at life in prison. This is a doomsday scenario people are going to sing like crazy to save their own skin. Does anyone actually think there isn't anything to find at LSU's football operation? I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20538 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:07 pm to
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If you’ve got nothing to hide, then what’s the harm?
This is similar to "I did nothing wrong, I don't need a lawyer".

Wade has been subpoenaed to testify in federal court. He has no idea what he will be asked, and no clue what might be brought up to refute what he says. But he should be certain that whatever he does say, can/will be dissected and misconstrued, by one side or the other.

The odds are very good that someone will attempt to paint college basketball as a whole to be dirty, full of bribes and conspiracies. This, above and beyond Wade's actual involvement. So LSU admins meeting with Wade only after the story broke, can be twisted into LSU attempting to conspire and dictate testimony in a way that protects the industry. LSU might be seeking to clear it's name, but the way it's going about it is very dangerous to Wade's personal freedom.
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