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Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:10 am to lsudocts
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Its only an assumption that the “offer” was money
wasn't there a Netflix show about the offer being a "BJ" instead of "money"
im sure the nba groupie hoes give different BJ's to max players and rookie players.
will wade was gonna give a BJ equal to what a rookie would get from an nba cleat chaser instead of a what a max contract BJ that a cleat chaser gives
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:12 am to LSU5508
"From my understanding it is illegal to even make an offer as a coach"
Fine. So tell me, where is the proof that an offer was even made? Wade saying this in a conversation with someone other than Smart or someone representing Smart is not proof that it actually happened. It's only proof that Wade said something that he might have been intentionally trying to mislead Dawkins with for one reason or another. We STILL have no evidence whatsoever that anything illegal or against NCAA rules took place.
Fine. So tell me, where is the proof that an offer was even made? Wade saying this in a conversation with someone other than Smart or someone representing Smart is not proof that it actually happened. It's only proof that Wade said something that he might have been intentionally trying to mislead Dawkins with for one reason or another. We STILL have no evidence whatsoever that anything illegal or against NCAA rules took place.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:14 am to lsudocts
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So you’re saying they believe there is a possibility an offer was made but not accepted. Keeps getting better
It is mainly that LSU/complaince needs their ducks in a row as far as exhibiting institutional control.
It doesn't really mean LSU (+ NCAA rep that LSU is in contact with) has to be convinced that he didn't accept an offer.
It's just that he has met with them, denied it and there's not strong evidence. That means no matter what happens with any future Smart offer investigation/revelation, LSU isn't exposing itself to any more NCAA risk than there already was.
Wade case is very different:
1) Just the tape with Wade talking about an offer is already a fairly serious violation even if it was never even made.
2) Unlike Smart (or Sean Miller coach at Arizona), Wade has not given his explanation of why this is not the way it looks or denied committing a serious NCAA violation.
This post was edited on 3/15/19 at 11:16 am
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:15 am to GeeOH
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Wade's taped confession
CWW hasn't confessed to anything. He's not under investigation and he's not been arrested.
Where do you get your information from because it's wrong wrong wrong!!!!!
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:17 am to lsudocts
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So you’re saying they believe there is a possibility an offer was made but not accepted. Keeps getting better
Nope...im saying Smart doesnt have to accept it fornit to be the violation that it is....paying a handler to secure a commitment is the infraction..oh, and admitting that on fbi wiretapping does NOT help.
Think man
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:20 am to idlewatcher
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Wade's taped confession less of a violation.
You should be banned for posting this drivel.
Did he not confess to making an offer? On tape? Please explain what isnt right?
Let me help your slow arse out, i didnt say he confessed to a direct charge, i said he is on tape confessing to someone else about making an offer.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:20 am to Paul Maul number 37
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Fine. So tell me, where is the proof that an offer was even made? Wade saying this in a conversation with someone other than Smart or someone representing Smart is not proof that it actually happened. It's only proof that Wade said something that he might have been intentionally trying to mislead Dawkins with for one reason or another. We STILL have no evidence whatsoever that anything illegal or against NCAA rules took place.
Not my position but it is the position of LSU, Wade would be coaching if i was AD
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:22 am to GeeOH
He says “the offer” was geared more to the player and his family. Doesnt matter who physically accepted it. Doesnt matter. I hope we represent ourselves well in postseason. Team deserves it.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:26 am to Paul Maul number 37
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We STILL have no evidence whatsoever that anything illegal or against NCAA rules took place.
Hes not suspended for an NCAA violation! Hes suspended for not attending a meeting with his superiors to explain why hes on tape speaking about violating NCAA rules and telling them hes innocent and future testimony would prove that.
He wont go to bat for himself, why should Alleva?
Easy choice..ho in and explain what happened and promise youre clean, or sit your dumb arse out and hurt the team and the university with the growing cloud of suspicion fueld by your actions
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:27 am to GeeOH
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Did he not confess to making an offer? On tape? Please explain what isnt right?
We don't know he did, unless you think the media are infallible... Using media reports to convict someone is silly, especially when they're from Pete Thamel (google him and Tyrann Mathieu)
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:29 am to lsudocts
I think they (Wade and LSU admin) know more than we do. This is becoming more obvious with the Smart clearance.
If Wade's problem was only about him giving Smart and his family money to play, then clearing one would automatically clear the other.
So aside from the FSU player that Wade was on tape discussing (who didn't come to LSU,) there has to be more that we don't know about.
It's aggravating, nonetheless..
If Wade's problem was only about him giving Smart and his family money to play, then clearing one would automatically clear the other.
So aside from the FSU player that Wade was on tape discussing (who didn't come to LSU,) there has to be more that we don't know about.
It's aggravating, nonetheless..
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:35 am to The First Cut
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They could've cleared Smart far faster had Wade complied with the joint investigation.
DUrRrRRRRR!!!!
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:42 am to Tigerfan7218
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We don't know he did, unless you think the media are infallible... Using media reports to convict someone is silly, especially when they're from Pete Thamel (google him and Tyrann Mathieu)
Hey, im ALL good if it isnt true..but wouldnt wade be screaming that from the rooftops? At least to his boss, the NCAA, the league, etc etc etc?
Again, Wade is suspended because of his own inactions
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:43 am to lsudocts
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Doesnt matter who physically accepted it.
Which is exactly why Smart can be innocent, but the violation still occured!
Do you get it?
Posted on 3/15/19 at 11:46 am to Red Stick Tigress
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Where do you get your information from because it's wrong wrong wrong!!!!!
Read above. If you dont think thebreport on those tapes have wade confessing to a 3rd party about making an offer, then i dont know how you function in life
Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:03 pm to GeeOH
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He wont go to bat for himself, why should Alleva?
Yes. That means LSU would be putting itself completely on the hook to say that they believe Wade did not discuss making an offer for Smart (or worse) when Wade won't even say that himself.
It still seems that over half the people posting about this do not realize that it is a serious NCAA violation to just talk about making an offer for a player.
I agree that there is no hard proof --like the NCAA seeming to already have that tape in hand.
However, as of yet, no one seems to be denying this tape exists or that the quotes from it are incorrect or misleadingly out of context.
Only the willfully ignorant can say that without Wade coming straight out and denying and/or explaining exactly what he was talking about, it looks like the already NCAA will have everything they need to at least charge Wade with "discussing making an offer with a middleman for a player".
Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:16 pm to lsudocts
Wade was suspended for not meeting with the LSU leadership (using that term loosely) and the NCAA to discuss potential infractions. LSU had authority to suspend him for being uncooperative, though he's not technically proven guilty of anything (which does reflect poorly on the LSU admin, imho).
I suppose Smart was initially suspended for similar reasons... or, more accurately, for being the a possible beneficiary of illegal benefits alluded to by Wade. But, (and I'm guessing here) to the extent Smart has met with LSU leadership and pleaded his innocence, LSU agreed to lift his suspension since there is no proof at this time.
Wade simply couldn't/wouldn't meet with LSU at the advice of his attorneys. Since he's a potential witness to an upcoming trial, this isn't unreasonable. There's plenty of other threads to argue the (un)fairness of this.
And, as someone else already mentioned in this thread, a "great offer" could technically be something innocent. For instance, he may have been offered guaranteed playing time at both point guard and shooting guard as a freshman whereas other schools said we're recruiting you as a point guard only. (And, no, I do not think that's what his offer was. It's more a hypothetical, based on anecdotal evidence of football players who are more interested in some schools that will promise them a chance to play a position for which they don't necessarily project well... But it proves that there are potentially innocent incentives that aren't illegal and all offers are not equal.)
I suppose Smart was initially suspended for similar reasons... or, more accurately, for being the a possible beneficiary of illegal benefits alluded to by Wade. But, (and I'm guessing here) to the extent Smart has met with LSU leadership and pleaded his innocence, LSU agreed to lift his suspension since there is no proof at this time.
Wade simply couldn't/wouldn't meet with LSU at the advice of his attorneys. Since he's a potential witness to an upcoming trial, this isn't unreasonable. There's plenty of other threads to argue the (un)fairness of this.
And, as someone else already mentioned in this thread, a "great offer" could technically be something innocent. For instance, he may have been offered guaranteed playing time at both point guard and shooting guard as a freshman whereas other schools said we're recruiting you as a point guard only. (And, no, I do not think that's what his offer was. It's more a hypothetical, based on anecdotal evidence of football players who are more interested in some schools that will promise them a chance to play a position for which they don't necessarily project well... But it proves that there are potentially innocent incentives that aren't illegal and all offers are not equal.)
Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:17 pm to Cajunomics
quote:makes a lot of sense actually.
It really makes no sense.
If you are playing him then you aren’t concerned about any wrongdoing, therefore the coach should be back as well.
Smart wasn't on tape accepting an offer, and they can't prove he or his family took money (at least not yet).
Big difference is Wade is on tape talking about having made an offer, which itself is an NCAA violation.
The tape implicates Wade, but there's no such evidence on Smart.
Posted on 3/15/19 at 12:37 pm to atltiger6487
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Big difference is Wade is on tape talking about having made an offer, which itself is an NCAA violation.
Depends on what the offer was and what can be proved. See my post above. Of course, I don't think my example was the offer, but some offers can be legally greater than others without being a violation.
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