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re: Is this the greatest fold in Texas Hold’em history?
Posted on 2/16/19 at 6:55 am to LSUGent
Posted on 2/16/19 at 6:55 am to LSUGent
Okay that's obviously a good fold on the surface. But what are the bets? She's tossing away fantastic odds on that hand. Makes you wonder how many times she folds the winning hand.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 6:56 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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If you can extrapolate her game from that one hand, then you are correct.
results
oriented
thinking
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But if she is savvy enough to fold a boat to take home $25K
luckboxing a heater to this point is irrelevant. folds like this are probably why she has to rely on qualifiers in the first place
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then she may have numerous other highly unusual strengths in her game.
do tell
Posted on 2/16/19 at 6:56 am to LSUGent
She obviously put him on pocket aces and was very confident on that read otherwise she wouldn’t have shown the table. If she was just playing tight wouldn’t she have just mucked the hand?
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:02 am to cssamerican
quote:She bet pretty tight with trips til the river, and bet tight on the river with a boat.
She obviously put him on pocket aces and was very confident on that read otherwise she wouldn’t have shown the table. If she was just playing tight wouldn’t she have just mucked the hand?
I don't think she could have possibly played the hand any better. Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:03 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You sound like a dyed-in-the-wool cash player.
luckboxing a heater to this point is irrelevant. folds like this are probably why she has to rely on qualifiers in the first place
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then she may have numerous other highly unusual strengths in her game.
do tell
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:04 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Cash is where the money is.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:06 am to Fe_Mike
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But what are the bets? She's tossing away fantastic odds on that hand.
exactly
she's getting effectively 3:1 (paying 150 to win 450) or if you want to look at pot odds, it's 2:1 (150 into a 300 pot)
the range required to call is pretty big given that spread, especially since the flush comes in
preflop she has a button open and then a BB 3B, so their ranges are insanely wide. a FD is unlikely but not impossible given the passive line AA took on a wet board.
flop is check-check so both have wide ranges but BB is wider since BU should be betting the a majority of her range when checked to on the flop. she can be playing for pot control but her value (KK, QQ, KQ, JT) needs to protect and her good draws (Jx-s, Tx-s, etc) need to try to realized their fold equity.
turn is check 1/3 pot call. no fireworks and 1/3 is clear value. so she isn't on a draw and doesn't have top value (b/c if she did, she just priced in the draw). BB still has infinite range, effectively
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Makes you wonder how many times she folds the winning hand.
the biggest question
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:07 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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You sound like a dyed-in-the-wool cash player.
i'm the guy preaching not being exploitable on the bubble
are you claiming ICM disagrees with me? show me the math
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:10 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Answer my question first. Are you a cash player first and foremost?
You sound like a dyed-in-the-wool cash player.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:12 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:13 am to Buckeye Jeaux
in my life i've probably played in 10x the tournaments as opposed to cash sessions. and it gets bigger if we're talking NL cash
my only NL play for years consisted of SNGs
i don't play live tournaments that often (because the ones I have access to aren't worth the time investment) but i won a tourney a couple years ago consisting primarily of local pros. now that's obviously an outlier but i have live tourney results on top of online ones
my only NL play for years consisted of SNGs
i don't play live tournaments that often (because the ones I have access to aren't worth the time investment) but i won a tourney a couple years ago consisting primarily of local pros. now that's obviously an outlier but i have live tourney results on top of online ones
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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my only NL play for years consisted of SNGs
Just shoot me instead please.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:15 am to EarlyCuyler3
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I'm pretty sure she knew what she was doing.
Hendon Mob
a $304,896 tournament gross (over 5 years) isn't that great. i don't think it's making the point you think it does
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:15 am to EarlyCuyler3
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Just shoot me instead please.
bubble strat is bubble strat
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:18 am to SlowFlowPro
I think it shows shes a winning player. And I'm guessing most of her play is online since she playing in a pokerstars event. Could be wrong though.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:20 am to EarlyCuyler3
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I think it shows shes a winning player.
actually it doesn't
hendon mob doesn't show the tournies she played (and payed a buyin) where she busted
it also doesn't show if she has a backer and what its cut is
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:23 am to SlowFlowPro
You're right about that of course. I just think she read it correctly. Theres articles that discuss her thinking as well. She thought he was slow playing. Some players are just that obvious.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:24 am to EarlyCuyler3
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She thought he was slow playing
well that's not even a good read post-flop
that means her read was KK
Posted on 2/16/19 at 7:25 am to EarlyCuyler3
And one thing no one has mentioned is does that guy ever check raise the river as a bluff? Never. So if hes check shipping the river and you think he's been doing something fricky with the hand, what does he have you beat? Nothing.
All that said, I call, but I'm a payoff wizard sometimes.
All that said, I call, but I'm a payoff wizard sometimes.
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