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Kentucky's argument about the need for a GT rule is not valid (I think)
Posted on 2/13/19 at 10:58 am
Posted on 2/13/19 at 10:58 am
I think the goaltending review by the officials in the NBA can only be used on a play called goaltending. If there was a similar rule in NCAA basketball how would that have helped Kentucky when goaltending was not called? How and who could stop live act action play willy-nilly to request a non call review?
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:04 am to Tiger Dominance
They said during the broadcast that the only thing that was reviewable was the clock.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:09 am to rds dc
I'm not arguing what the announcers said or about the clock. I'm arguing what Kentucky fans are saying that a rule would have prevented LSU's basket. I don't see how any future rule would help Kentucky in a similar situation.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:19 am to Tiger Dominance
If the NCAA implemented it like the other ones, it'd probably just be reviewable in the last 2:00 of each half... But I don't think there's a stipulation in the NBA (not sure, I'm not as well versed in NBA rules) that it has to be called GT to be reviewed, I'm pretty sure I've seen non-calls be turned into calls
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:19 am to Tiger Dominance
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Kentucky fans are saying that a rule would have prevented LSU's basket.
at Kentucky? no doubt in my mind. Doesn't mean they would've won
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:32 am to Tiger Dominance
Kentucky (and ESPN) need to suck it up and move on.
This isn't Saints-Rams, Kentucky plays this weekend. This didn't end their season.
"oh, but it could affect seeding!"; also bullcrap. We're talking about #5 being played to the wire at home by #19. Worst case scenario for LSU, the basket is disallowed and we go to OT, and maybe Kentucky wins in that (maybe LSU does). So even with that, #5 still gets pushed into OT at home by #19.
All the seeding that gets changed, is that LSU with a great record probably gets a lot more respect now.
Kentucky plays #1 this weekend. Win that game, overall respect will go up, lose and overall respect will go down. The LSU game doesn't affect that.
This isn't Saints-Rams, Kentucky plays this weekend. This didn't end their season.
"oh, but it could affect seeding!"; also bullcrap. We're talking about #5 being played to the wire at home by #19. Worst case scenario for LSU, the basket is disallowed and we go to OT, and maybe Kentucky wins in that (maybe LSU does). So even with that, #5 still gets pushed into OT at home by #19.
All the seeding that gets changed, is that LSU with a great record probably gets a lot more respect now.
Kentucky plays #1 this weekend. Win that game, overall respect will go up, lose and overall respect will go down. The LSU game doesn't affect that.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:33 am to Topwater Trout
From TD Interview:
JOHN CALIPARI:
"Well, this one easy to go check, too. Just go check it. Why would you not -- why would that not be reviewable?"
I'm still not seeing how this is easy to check. Do you wait until LSU gets a breakaway sure score and then someone calls for a review? Does the review come from the booth after more points are scored? What if something is reviewed that shouldn't have been and it costs a team points or possession before timeout for a review could be called?
JOHN CALIPARI:
"Well, this one easy to go check, too. Just go check it. Why would you not -- why would that not be reviewable?"
I'm still not seeing how this is easy to check. Do you wait until LSU gets a breakaway sure score and then someone calls for a review? Does the review come from the booth after more points are scored? What if something is reviewed that shouldn't have been and it costs a team points or possession before timeout for a review could be called?
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 11:34 am
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:33 am to Tiger Dominance
Piss on Kentucky fans and Kentucky in general. If you listened to their post game show it was non-stop whining and complaining. Most said LSU was not as good a team as Ky but LSU was just a
"Matchup problem" for their players.
Kentucky has been the beneficiary of many calls going their way over the years to the point that they expect it.
The tip-in was called good by all officials at the game as no one called a goal tend. Then both TV announcers called the shot good after watching the replay.
I have seen MANY tip-ins like the one last night and even closer and they were never questioned. However, none were at the buzzer at Rupp Arena costing Ky a loss. This one did and it stands. Let 'em bitch and cry.
"Matchup problem" for their players.
Kentucky has been the beneficiary of many calls going their way over the years to the point that they expect it.
The tip-in was called good by all officials at the game as no one called a goal tend. Then both TV announcers called the shot good after watching the replay.
I have seen MANY tip-ins like the one last night and even closer and they were never questioned. However, none were at the buzzer at Rupp Arena costing Ky a loss. This one did and it stands. Let 'em bitch and cry.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:35 am to Tiger Dominance
Well in this case the game was over and you're reviewing it for timing anyways... But in a not end of game scenario they'd stop the game before the ball was inbounded by UK after the made basket, even after a miss if there's a reviewable play (such as shot clock violations), the refs stop play pretty much as soon as it happens.
Point being, any review is coming from the refs (granted coaches and players appeal successfully for things to be reviewed all the time)
Point being, any review is coming from the refs (granted coaches and players appeal successfully for things to be reviewed all the time)
Posted on 2/13/19 at 11:39 am to Tiger Dominance
The NBA does have rules in place that could be used similarly here. For instance, you can review a blocking call if there is a question as to whether or not the player was in the restricted area. During that review, you are able to overturn the block if; 1. The defender was in the restricted area, or 2. The player was not in legal guarding position.
So, you could state it to where offensive interference/goaltending can be overturned when looking to see if the shot went up in time.
However, that is not the case as of now, so that dub will remain a dub. The NCAA can change whatever rules it likes after the fact
So, you could state it to where offensive interference/goaltending can be overturned when looking to see if the shot went up in time.
However, that is not the case as of now, so that dub will remain a dub. The NCAA can change whatever rules it likes after the fact
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 11:40 am
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:01 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
Who would initiate the review. None of the three referees called goaltending. Normally after a made basket play continues so someone has to stop the play while they go to review. This would ruin the flow of the game and I suspect is the reason it is not reviewable. No game comes down to one play, there were plenty of calls that went in Kentucky's favor. Whiners need to accept the fact that over the course of the game LSU beat Kentucky. Accept your loss like a man.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:06 pm to Tiger Dominance
ill be honest i kinda agree with that. its like the saints no call. there should be a rule where is a no call is wrong and you can obviously see that then you can make the call. in this situation its obvious because there was still some ball in the cylinder but ill take the W and be grateful we finally got a call our way.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:07 pm to BilltheTiger
It would only be reviewed in a situation like this where it was decisive. This is why it would be a dumb rule. If it's not reviewable at any other time in the game, why should it be reviewed in a decisive situation. OK . . . then go back through the whole game and see if you missed any other goaltending, basket interference or blocks that you called a foul on . . . the list goes on.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:18 pm to jawnybnsc
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If it's not reviewable at any other time in the game, why should it be reviewed in a decisive situation.
This argument makes no sense... They only allow ball out of bounds reviews in the last two minutes, is that a dumb rule too? (I mean I'm all for that being expanded, but then we'd see 2.5 hour games)
Of course you should have greater scrutiny of officiating during key situations... A no goaltending call in the first 3 minutes has far less of an impact than one at the buzzer. Period
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:25 pm to Tigerfan7218
agreed. you can make this where in the last two minutes you can review no calls that seem to be blatant.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:27 pm to Tiger Dominance
The trick with this rule is that it’s not a dead ball if it is missed. You can go 3 minuets without a dead ball and what the refs would just stop the game in the middle of action to review a call? Maybe a coach could request a review and risk a timeout. Out of bounds shot clock defensive blocking foul are dead ball situations.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 12:28 pm to catholictigerfan
Shot clock is not a dead ball if it's ruled to have hit the rim... But afaik that's still a reviewable play (if it missed the rim it'd be a turnover).
Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:32 pm to BilltheTiger
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Who would initiate the review. None of the three referees called goaltending. Normally after a made basket play continues so someone has to stop the play while they go to review. This would ruin the flow of the game and I suspect is the reason it is not reviewable. No game comes down to one play, there were plenty of calls that went in Kentucky's favor. Whiners need to accept the fact that over the course of the game LSU beat Kentucky. Accept your loss like a man.
Well, in my example the review would be initiated to make sure the ball beat the clock; and if in the process an offensive interference was found to be missed, they then overturn the call.
This is all coming from the finals last year. LeBron got a charge call. They reviewed to see if he was in the restricted area, which he was not; however they still overturned the call because he wasn't in a proper guarding position.
The NCAA can't take away the win from us, so I wouldn't mind something being put in place. The opposite could very well happen to us down the line
Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:41 pm to Tigerfan7218
I mean look at charge calls getting changed to blocks after review if the defender was in the arc. Would essentially be the same thing.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 1:42 pm to Tiger Dominance
This loss for Ky b-ball is the equivalent to our loss to aTm in football. It stings but it won’t have any impact on the rest of their season. Everything they want to accomplish is still ahead of them.
ETA..it MIGHT end up costing them a regular season SEC title but that’s almost as irrelevant as pre-season baseball polls
ETA..it MIGHT end up costing them a regular season SEC title but that’s almost as irrelevant as pre-season baseball polls
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 1:43 pm
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