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re: A Scientific dissent from Darwin

Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:30 pm to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:30 pm to
Not to mention the vast majority of them have no connection to biological science. A lot of PHDs in unrelated fields in a lot of those stupid statements, but they always hook the retards with "Over 1000 PHDs!"
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125489 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:34 pm to
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Not to mention the vast majority of them have no connection to biological science. A lot of PHDs in unrelated fields in a lot of those stupid statements, but they always hook the retards with "Over 1000 PHDs!"
That and metaphors get mixed. There really are gaps in the human fossil record. That does not mean those gaps cannot or will not be bridged. But denying they exist is silly too.
Posted by nematocyte
Member since Jan 2013
924 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:34 pm to
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I am not saying that guy does not believe in evolutionary theory. He is stating it has problems which current theory doesn't address. My point is merely that current theory has serious flaws.


That in no sense whatsoever means evolutionary theory has "serious flaws," it means the theory needs to be expanded which is the case for almost every scientific theory.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:39 pm to
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A point I've raised here once already should give you a hard reset.
Cats (Felidae) -- Lions, Tigers, Leopards, Pumas Jaguars, Bobcats, Servals, House Cats -- are clearly similar. Yet they are clearly dissimilar. They obviously diverged variently from a common ancestor.

Yes?

Some species of cat can still interbreed, albeit with oft sterile or naturally disadvantaged offspring. Other cat species are evolved just beyond that point. Hell! Some members of Family:Felidae can even breed transgenus! Most cannot.

Are separate genuses of felidae actually "the same" animal, albeit "with a different beak"?
Is cat divergence simply evidence of microevolution?



Fantastic examples of speciation and more. Not sure why anyone would need a better example.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:41 pm to
Any time we have these I always ask creationist weirdos to explain:

Endogenous Retroviruses

and

Fused chromosome.

There's never an answer because they usually can't copy and paste something from AnswersInGenesis.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125489 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:44 pm to
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Not sure why anyone would need a better example.
Nor am I. But, someone DV'd you. So . . . .

This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 3:45 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73988 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:45 pm to
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Athiest ideology in practice has killed more people in 100 years than all religious persecution of science thing back to the beginning of history many times over (this is so overblown btw.


I guess I'll just keep waiting for you to prove your idiotic assertion.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:46 pm to
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Side note: There's nothing more absurd than someone telling you they "can't afford" to donate to CFC when the minimum donation is like $5 TOTAL!

I mean frick. Just tell me you don't want to because saying you can't afford $5 just insults us both.


That Mustang won't pay for itself at 24% interest...
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:48 pm to
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evolutionary theory has "serious flaws"

I don't know if the theory has serious flaws, but there are certain aspects of the theory which are unexplained. The so-called "Cambrian Explosion" remains a mystery, whereby all known phyla of animals, both the ancestors of modern forms, and those now extinct, arose within a period of just a few million years!

However, even though we don't have all the answers, doesn't mean we should reject the theory outright.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
60522 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:49 pm to
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We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation


So they dont believe in transgenders either. Good deal
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73988 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:51 pm to
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believe in


That would be silly. Like religion.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
60522 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:52 pm to


Religion is silly. Always starting shite
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:53 pm to
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Religion is silly.


Obviously.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
23091 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:55 pm to
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Lots of evolutionists are surprisingly agreeable to intelligent design,




Humans could design a better body, eating out of the pipe you breathe through?
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
27122 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 3:59 pm to
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species of cat can still interbreed

Ever seen a "liger"? It's real, and is an awesome animal-sort of a supercat, twice as big as a Bengal tiger, social in nature like a lion, and likes to swim!
Posted by RazorBroncs
Captain of The Flagship
Member since Sep 2013
13991 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:00 pm to

**Haven't read the whole thread, so this may have been covered or way off topic by now**

How does this explain simple evolution that we've actually witnessed in our relatively short observance, like the flu virus? What about the "superbugs" we've created by over-prescribing antibiotics over a short time span?


We've literally seen and studied viruses and bacterium evolving in real time while they develop resistances to the immunizations we administer, how is that explained if evolution and/or survival of the fittest doesn't exist?
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1147 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 4:48 pm to
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We've literally seen and studied viruses and bacterium evolving in real time while they develop resistances to the immunizations we administer, how is that explained if evolution and/or survival of the fittest doesn't exist?


Obviously god is controlling that, and he wants us to die.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125489 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:06 pm to
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Ever seen a "liger"? It's real
Or a Savannah Cat . . . an inter-genus breed.
This post was edited on 2/11/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35308 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:43 pm to
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No it wouldn't... we have fossils. The macro changes should be seen more broadly in the fossil record based on how many different random variations would have to occur.
Only a small percentage of living organisms become fossilized, which require a number of conditions for it to happen. And of that small percentage, we’ve only likely only found a small percentage of those. In fact, it’s estimates that we’ve only found about 15% of the LIVING SPECIES.

So to expect fossil records across a history (depending on what one is loooking) that spans of hundreds of thousands, millions, and even billions of years, to provide anything close to a complete picture of something very specific (e.g., species to species) is just illogical, especially given the limitations to find fossils that have actually been preserved.

Evolution is such a massive interdisciplinary area of research, maybe the largest in history. And some of the most important and strongest research has little or even nothing to do with fossil records. Yet, those who criticize the theory always seem to ignore all the other research and focus solely on the fossil record. It’s ignorant at best for those who don’t know any better, but I think those that do know better use it dishonestly to deceive those who don’t and are not discussing the theory in good faith.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35308 posts
Posted on 2/11/19 at 5:48 pm to
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Not to mention the vast majority of them have no connection to biological science. A lot of PHDs in unrelated fields in a lot of those stupid statements, but they always hook the retards with "Over 1000 PHDs!"
I thought about signing it since I have a PhD just to see if I would he added to the list even though I’m as much of an expert as the 1000 students who took the same biology class with me as an undergrad.

Interestingly the head professor of that class was a minister in her church. Obviously that is irrelevant to the theory, but she wanted students to know this since so many argue that evolution is incompatible with the Christian belief system.
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