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re: Loomis and demps just got played.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:45 pm to Rjlsu85
Posted on 2/7/19 at 11:45 pm to Rjlsu85
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Not really this isn’t English class and I’m sure you can read
I haven't taken an English class in over 15 years. Am I supposed to go around talking like an illiterate retard because I'm not in English class? What was the fricking point of English class then?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 6:57 am to Hester Carries
Oh I’m so sorry message board professor but could you please show me where what have I said that’s illiterate and please exclude the common things ppl do on here like run on sentences and lack of proper punctuation bcuz you do you know we are on here and not face to face having a conversation. Now if this were a college paper or job requirements then maybe it’d be different but it’s not so gtf.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 7:12 am to Rjlsu85
So if Kyrie goes to NY, you don't think we get Ja and DSJ? It's about accumulating the best assets at this point. Doesn't matter if they play the same position right now. You showcase DSJ for a year and then trade him for something you can use later.
Not to mention the Dallas picks will likely be a lot better than the Lakers picks. No telling how the Unicorn returns from injury and he's already injury prone so.
Not to mention the Dallas picks will likely be a lot better than the Lakers picks. No telling how the Unicorn returns from injury and he's already injury prone so.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 7:15 am
Posted on 2/8/19 at 7:24 am to Townedrunkard
Lol yes he is absolutely injury prone and yes you could ultimately end up with Ja and DSJ combination but that’s also predicated on NY not getting #1 and wanting to take and keep Zion. I know it doesn’t matter but he just said how much he’d love to play with Kyrie and KD in NY. Also if suns get #1 they may go for Ja who is a big need for them over Zion leaving Zion for NY or whoever is next. So yes they could have both and eventually trade DSJ but it’s also a lot of luck needed for that to happen.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 7:29 am to Rjlsu85
I don't mean any offense by this, but do you have Down's Syndrome?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 7:49 am to Puddinhead
quote:Says the person who gives possession to down in Down syndrome huh? Smh
I don't mean any offense by this, but do you have Down's Syndrome?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 8:44 am to TigerinATL
1. Lakers Deal was meh but it’s full of young players.
2. Boston has Tatum and picks, but will they ship them out if AD is truly adamant he won’t resign (will kyrie still be there?)
3. The Clippers have absolutely shite. They aren’t even in the convo.
4. The knicks have a 1st rounder. No assurance it will be #1. That’s ALL rhey have.
It’s definitely down to LA and Boston at this point.
2. Boston has Tatum and picks, but will they ship them out if AD is truly adamant he won’t resign (will kyrie still be there?)
3. The Clippers have absolutely shite. They aren’t even in the convo.
4. The knicks have a 1st rounder. No assurance it will be #1. That’s ALL rhey have.
It’s definitely down to LA and Boston at this point.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 8:49 am to Rjlsu85
Sorry, my friend with Down Syndrome, who writes exactly like you do, calls it Downs, so I was mistaken.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 9:46 am to BDJ
Basically my point and that’s hinges on so many things as AD adamant about not staying, kyrie staying and Boston willingness to include the centerpiece Tatum. Kyrie leaving shakes all that up bcuz imo they no longer include Tatum at that point bcuz the risk of renting AD and having him there by himself with no other star will be too high so they wouldn’t risk it. Kyrie stays long term they 1 year is enough time to convince AD Boston is the right fit.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 9:59 am to Rjlsu85
Alright. I'm not sure why I'm doing this but I'll try and lay this out for you.
Let's start with the timing of AD's announcement. That was two weeks before the Trade Deadline. It logically follows, especially in light of all of Klutch Sport's actions, that they were trying to force a trade BEFORE the deadline for a variety of reasons.
Boston CANNOT trade for Davis at this time (before the deadline), and has to wait until Summer to do so, correct?
Who is the most likely team to rival any Lakers offer or can beat it? The Celtics, who CANNOT do a deal pre-Deadline.
So what benefit would Klutch have with including Boston pre-Deadline on previous teams? None. So what is the logical conclusion for Klutch? Say you won't sign there, give the Pelicans the impression they MUST do a deal now.
So that's what they did.
Now follow me further.
The Lakers: Lebron James is nearing the end of his career, right? He has played more minutes at his age than anyone in the history of the league did at the same time. That is why they tried to force a trade now. Davis is under contract through next year. Do you think the Lakers are going to punt on a year of Lebron James? No. They are going to sign FAs. If they sign ANY FA of note, THEY WILL NOT HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN DAVIS IN 2020. So if they don't trade for him now or this Summer before FA, he will never be a Laker, most likely.
The Knicks: have cleared two max spots and have the ability to create a 3rd via trade. They did not do this to have those FAs play with a rookie. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are not coming to NYK to play with Zion Williamson. IF they get #1 or 2, they will want to trade that to form a super team.
Clippers: have also created two max spots even though they are in the playoff hunt. They also received a VERY valuable pick: The Heat 2021 unprotected pick. 2021 is projected to be an insane draft, and the Heat will likely be shite. They also have some interesting players like SGA and Shamet, and a crazy owner that could possibly throw a ton of crazy picks at AD.
Celtics: They have a great HC, a great GM, and multiple assets. It DID NOT behoove Klutch/AD to say he would go there now...but this summer when faced with the prospect of playing all of 2020 in an uncomfortable situation with the Pelicans, he will almost certainly change his tune about going to a premiere, great organization. Even if he doesn't, Ainge, by all accounts, is convinced he can change his mind.
The long and short of it is that it did not benefit the Pelicans to do the deal now. It only benefited the Lakers, Lebron James, Klutch Sports, and Anthony Davis.
Yes, it is a calculated risk. But it is the right one, and you won't find a smart, unbiased basketball person that disagrees.
Let's start with the timing of AD's announcement. That was two weeks before the Trade Deadline. It logically follows, especially in light of all of Klutch Sport's actions, that they were trying to force a trade BEFORE the deadline for a variety of reasons.
Boston CANNOT trade for Davis at this time (before the deadline), and has to wait until Summer to do so, correct?
Who is the most likely team to rival any Lakers offer or can beat it? The Celtics, who CANNOT do a deal pre-Deadline.
So what benefit would Klutch have with including Boston pre-Deadline on previous teams? None. So what is the logical conclusion for Klutch? Say you won't sign there, give the Pelicans the impression they MUST do a deal now.
So that's what they did.
Now follow me further.
The Lakers: Lebron James is nearing the end of his career, right? He has played more minutes at his age than anyone in the history of the league did at the same time. That is why they tried to force a trade now. Davis is under contract through next year. Do you think the Lakers are going to punt on a year of Lebron James? No. They are going to sign FAs. If they sign ANY FA of note, THEY WILL NOT HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN DAVIS IN 2020. So if they don't trade for him now or this Summer before FA, he will never be a Laker, most likely.
The Knicks: have cleared two max spots and have the ability to create a 3rd via trade. They did not do this to have those FAs play with a rookie. Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving are not coming to NYK to play with Zion Williamson. IF they get #1 or 2, they will want to trade that to form a super team.
Clippers: have also created two max spots even though they are in the playoff hunt. They also received a VERY valuable pick: The Heat 2021 unprotected pick. 2021 is projected to be an insane draft, and the Heat will likely be shite. They also have some interesting players like SGA and Shamet, and a crazy owner that could possibly throw a ton of crazy picks at AD.
Celtics: They have a great HC, a great GM, and multiple assets. It DID NOT behoove Klutch/AD to say he would go there now...but this summer when faced with the prospect of playing all of 2020 in an uncomfortable situation with the Pelicans, he will almost certainly change his tune about going to a premiere, great organization. Even if he doesn't, Ainge, by all accounts, is convinced he can change his mind.
The long and short of it is that it did not benefit the Pelicans to do the deal now. It only benefited the Lakers, Lebron James, Klutch Sports, and Anthony Davis.
Yes, it is a calculated risk. But it is the right one, and you won't find a smart, unbiased basketball person that disagrees.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/8/19 at 10:04 am to BDJ
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4. The knicks have a 1st rounder. No assurance it will be #1. That’s ALL rhey have.
Knox is interesting and so is DSJ. Knicks also have future first rounders.
Boston will throw Tatum in the deal or they don't get AD. Danny has been planning an AD trade for years. For a moment it loooked like he could keep Tatum, but then his assets nose dived with Brown taking a step back and Sacramento doing so well.
I cannot see Danny tossing his plan away and risk losing Kyrie to hang on to Tatum.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 10:10 am to Rjlsu85
WTF
The Lakers. offerd crap
Posted on 2/8/19 at 10:32 am to Rjlsu85
quote:For Mike Muscala, so tell me more about how much value Zubac had in that Pels deal?
Keep in mind that zubac just got traded today.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 10:35 am to Rjlsu85
quote:The Clippers arguably have better assets than the Lakers with SGA and the Heat unprotected 1st rounder alone. Not to mention any other 1st rounders thrown into the deal which would automatically be better 1st rounders than Lakers 1st round picks.
the clippers don’t have any assets
quote:They could be anywhere in the top 3 ish and still give us a better offer than the Lakers could or did.
and like I said the knicks is predicated on them getting lucky enough to get ithe top pick
quote:KD says I'll come to the Knicks if you get me another super star, now what?
but I really doubt they would deal the pick instead of taking Zion whom they would need for multiple reasons.
quote:And if all of that fails, and the Lakers offer us less, does it really matter? Their best offer sucked as is, so you're telling me it's not worth the risk of losing a shitty offer for a shittier offer? Is that your argument?
So who’s left out of those teams that’s right the lakers.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 10:40 am to shel311
Didn’t say he had a lot of value or value at all for that matter just said factually it couldn’t be the same deal and I’d hope you watch enough basketball to know zubac is already better than Muscala and he’s not close to a peak or finished prospect yet.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 10:46 am to Rjlsu85
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it couldn’t be the same deal
Yeah we know. A shitty deal might get shittier. Who cares?
Maybe try to take the time to read my post above. Maybe you will understand the thought process.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 11:22 am to Fun Bunch
I agree with most of what you said. Yes the timing of the trade request was deliberate to get the lakers first dibs on AD bcuz Boston couldn’t even enter in the process until the summer. Everyone knew before the season that the best potential deal the pels could get for AD would come from Boston and I 100% agree with that. AD throws more than a wrench in that he says he doesn’t want to go there and wouldn’t resign long term. Now on the flip side you’d have to be foolish to really believe Klutch sports is going rogue doing things on there own and not operating from what AD wants but doesn’t voice. So yes he could be just bluffing at not wanting to play in Boston but I doubt it. What reason would he have to bluff about it. He’s a free agent next summer anyway soregardless of any trade if he wants to go to LA then he can. If he wants to go to Boston he can so no reason to bluff he can do what he wants. Pels lost leverage keeping him. If Boston could’ve traded for AD yesterday I believe Tatum is more than likely in that package but they couldn’t and if kyrie leaves in the summer like I’ve said they won’t have a reason to put Tatum in any package just to gamble on AD who said he wouldn’t resign with them. Clips just don’t have anything other than SGA so what potential deal would you realistically take from them? NYK is the tricky one bcuz if they do get a top 3 pick or let’s say #1 and take Zion. While you view KD and kyrie not wanting to play with a rookie keep in mind that that’s a once in a generation rookie prospect and the fact that they could just sign AD the following summer if they had to with a cap relief trade. And also they have to get in the top 3 for the pels to really want it cuz let’s be honest there’s 3 key can’t miss prospects in this draft. So here we are basically it’s back to lakers and Celtics and one of the teams he said he wouldn’t sign long term so don’t you think it’s reasonable for ainge to tell Loomis or whoever that hey I just can’t give up that much without the assurance that we can resign him so take brown, smart and picks which would be very underwhelming at that point. So then you potential go back to lakers and try to get what they last offered and they withold one or more of the young core group they originally offered.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 11:31 am to Rjlsu85
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He’s a free agent next summer anyway soregardless of any trade if he wants to go to LA then he can.
No, he can't. They won't have the cap space to do so.
quote:
Pels lost leverage keeping him
No they didn't. They gained a TREMENDOUS amount of leverage.
quote:
While you view KD and kyrie not wanting to play with a rookie keep in mind that that’s a once in a generation rookie prospect and the fact that they could just sign AD the following summer if they had to with a cap relief trade.
No, they couldn't. They would not have the cap under almost any scenario. And players like KD do not give two fricks about "once in a generation rookies". At all.
You just don't know what you're talking about.
I'm going to assume you are very very young based on your posts.
Please do us a favor. Use paragraphs and line breaks. Try to formulate your thoughts more coherently. You are very hard to understand as is.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 11:35 am to Fun Bunch
So you saying if AD wants to sign with the lakers for less money next summer he can’t do that?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 11:42 am to Rjlsu85
At least pels can visit with Lakers after draft.
Boston seems to have lost grasp on two of their first rounders as clips and Memphis are tanking and picks are protected.
Bird in the hand of kuzma, Ingram, and a couple of so so firsts looking pretty good right now.
Boston seems to have lost grasp on two of their first rounders as clips and Memphis are tanking and picks are protected.
Bird in the hand of kuzma, Ingram, and a couple of so so firsts looking pretty good right now.
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