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re: Episode IX is the lame duck in Disney's Star Wars saga (Forbes)
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:33 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:33 pm to tiggerthetooth
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The ancient jedi texts to restore the jedi order?- Nah, those are just silly old books, in fact, "force ghost" Yoda is going to set them on fire via lightning.
To be fair, Rey has those text.
But the rest is spot on. And people thought midichlorians were bad.
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:35 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Kathleen Kennedy even said in an interview she felt no obligation to cater to the regular fans. Because Disney wants them gone
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:42 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Rey should have been a Jedi student of Luke. Instead they just turned her into a female Anakin Skywalker without the internal struggle and without any external adversity either.
This. That's just bad story-telling. Ray was such an incredible character in TFA. She came to us seemingly fully formed but with so many unanswered questions about her. Rather than address those questions, TLJ just shite on the audience for asking them and gave answers that were just the worst. They actually made Ray LESS interesting by making her less relatable.
The Last Jedi was set up with so many opportunities to become an awesome movie, possibly the best movie at all, but instead chose to make the worst possible decision at each juncture in the name of "subverting expectations". "Subverting expectations" only makes sense if doing so still falls within the logic of the story and the characters that inhabit it. If it doesn't, then it feels forced, contrived, unoriginal, and like bad story-telling.
For example: Luke's arc didn't make sense. He left a map to find him in TFA, yet in TLJ he didn't want to be found and just wanted to die there? That doesn't make any sense. In ROTJ, Luke refuses to fight Vader because he senses even the slightest bit of good in him, yet, when he senses the slightest evil in Ben, he decides to murder his nephew in his sleep? That doesn't make any f&%king sense. There are so many better reasons for Ben to turn on Luke, and that's literally the worst possible reason.
Don't even get me started on all of the other nonsensical decisions that characters made along the way. The whole "mad-cap comedy of errors" angle definitely feels correct.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:47 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Luke goes from farm boy to legendary jedi?-Now hes just a cynical, crotchety old hermit who drinks blue milk and calls lightsabers "laser swords" .
This.
I still say to those few who actually like how they handled Luke in TLJ. Just picture if Episode VII had cut to credits with Luke tossing the light saber over his shoulder and walking off. In fact, I would love to see someone edit that as the end of Episode VII. There almost would have been riots in the theater.
It honestly looked to me like they JJ was setting up Rey to be the next Luke in Episode VII. I could get Luke retreating for a time to gather his thoughts and trying to focus on the new threat of Snoke and his fallen nephew. Rey shows up and it gives him renewed hope that the Jedi can indeed rebuild. Instead, they make Luke extremely bitter and fully detached from the Force. And, on top of that, they seriously over-power Rey. Her conflict/adversity is hardly there at all in Episode VIII. She's not interesting at this point.
And, don't get me started on the flying-in-space Leia, the horrible character of Rose and the entire Canto Bight portion of the movie, and the horrible Holdo character.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:48 pm to kingbob
you can easily tell that RJ just wanted to "deconstruct" Star Wars. all the things you listed don't make sense, but the biggest piece of evidence is that he butchered Ray's development. she was the new franchise's baby and they just turned her into demigod Sue
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:51 pm to Bankshot
I actually didn't mind the light saber flip or calling it a laser sword. I didn't mind him being a little bitter, but what he should have done was challenge Ray to show him why he should care about what's going on, and why Ray needs his training. The problem was, they didn't do that, and he didn't train her, and they didn't really answer any questions about her background that could explain her powers, nope, just a big f&%k you to the audience.
I wish I could say that it looked like the makers of TLJ had never seen a Star Wars movie before, but in fact, it more seems like they had seen every Star Wars movie, hated them, and set out to destroy them and their fans in every way possible. It seemed like a malicious and intentional f&%k you to the fans.
I wish I could say that it looked like the makers of TLJ had never seen a Star Wars movie before, but in fact, it more seems like they had seen every Star Wars movie, hated them, and set out to destroy them and their fans in every way possible. It seemed like a malicious and intentional f&%k you to the fans.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:54 pm to kingbob
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I wish I could say that it looked like the makers of TLJ had never seen a Star Wars movie before, but in fact, it more seems like they had seen every Star Wars movie, hated them, and set out to destroy them and their fans in every way possible. It seemed like a malicious and intentional f&%k you to the fans.
100% for real. it was "deconstructing" Star Wars
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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100% for real. it was "deconstructing" Star Wars
Which makes sense for a film school project, but not for a major motion picture in that franchise.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 12:55 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Kathleen Kennedy even said in an interview she felt no obligation to cater to the regular fans. Because Disney wants them gone.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:00 pm to VoxDawg
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KOTR
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Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:03 pm to keks tadpole
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
It was an old video game for X-Box and PS2 that featured 2 games with really cool story lines set centuries before Episode I. They're about the Mandalorian War, the Sith, and the Republic. The story line is cool and would make for a great movie series.
It was an old video game for X-Box and PS2 that featured 2 games with really cool story lines set centuries before Episode I. They're about the Mandalorian War, the Sith, and the Republic. The story line is cool and would make for a great movie series.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:04 pm to DarthRebel
Fox Canon.
Only movies with the Fox fanfare will be A Canon.
The reasons for the merger keep stacking.
Only movies with the Fox fanfare will be A Canon.
The reasons for the merger keep stacking.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:05 pm to tiggerthetooth
Even Scott Mendelson, Lord of Star Wars Shills, is acknowledging there's a problem. Episode 9 is fricked. 
Here's some headlines of Lord Shill's past work for your enjoyment.
Here's some headlines of Lord Shill's past work for your enjoyment.
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Review: The Last Jedi is The Dark Knight of the Star Wars Saga
Box Office: Why Star Wars the Last Jedi is Still a Big Win for Disney
Box Office: Solo Failure and Last Jedi Backlash Won't Hurt Star Wars IX
Disney Rehires Kathleen Kennedy After Acclaimed, Successful 'Star Wars' Movies
Why The Russian Trolling Of 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Proved So Successful
How Toxic 'Star Wars' Fans Are Hurting 'Star Wars'
As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
This post was edited on 2/6/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:11 pm to kingbob
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Don't even get me started on all of the other nonsensical decisions that characters made along the way. The whole "mad-cap comedy of errors" angle definitely feels correct.
Which was the basis of Mr. Plinkett's Last Last Jedi Review, in which he delivered one of the great all time arse kickings to a movie. His theory was that TLJ was actually a poorly done mad cap comedy movie.
The video footage lends a lot of credence to his statement. As bad as the movie we got was, when you see the stuff that didn't make the screen it makes you believe there is a kind and loving God.
TLJ was like making the next James Bond movie a musical. It would certainly subvert expectations... but perhaps not quite be what James Bond fans were hoping for.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:15 pm to tiggerthetooth
My downvote was merely due to the message you brought, not the messenger.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:17 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Maybe it will eventually become a Pixar
I wouldn't have a problem with this at all. To be honest Star Wars Rebels as a whole, was better than all of the live action movies that they have released since purchasing LucasFilm. The stories were better, the writing was better, and honestly the characters were better. Just all around better. I am not sure why they don't try to get those people involved with live action.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:35 pm to kingbob
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Instead, we got Mary Poppins in space
I didn't watch TLJ because my friends told me not to waste my time as it was trash. I just looked up Star Wars Mary Poppins and saw the clip. Seems like I made a good decision not watching this film.
Question is though, will I have to watch it to get background information for Episode IX, or is Abrams just making a different movie?
Posted on 2/6/19 at 1:37 pm to HuskyPanda
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Question is though, will I have to watch it to get background information for Episode IX, or is Abrams just making a different movie?
Nothing really happened in this film so you should be good. And with how horribly this trilogy has been planned I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s completely different.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I wish I could say that it looked like the makers of TLJ had never seen a Star Wars movie before, but in fact, it more seems like they had seen every Star Wars movie, hated them, and set out to destroy them and their fans in every way possible. It seemed like a malicious and intentional f&%k you to the fans.
100% for real. it was "deconstructing" Star Wars
I am struggling for an example of deconstruction working out well for a popular series.
But they didn't even properly try. Luke could have become weak, or evil, or degenerate but you'd have to go through a breaking bad type of progression with rational motivations and good intentions gone wrong. That could potentially have been incredibly compelling - but it would take probably a trilogy length of storytelling devoted just to his devolution.
But RJ didn't have any intention of making a good movie. He wanted to break stuff without worrying about whether it would be worth watching and he succeeded - in breaking stuff but not making it worth watching.
Posted on 2/6/19 at 2:14 pm to SonicAndBareKnuckles
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As 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Flops, Are Movies About White Men Box Office Poison?
This mother fricker.
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