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re: Has Ensminger’s $50k bonus been discussed yet?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:09 am to Fat Bastard
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:09 am to Fat Bastard
quote:Not really. I think we threw the ball 7 times in overtime. Joe's rushing stats went up, and of course points went up.
a lot of stats were inflated in the TAMU game after regulation
Doesn't change the fact we have an awful red zone offense. 7>>3
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 9:10 am
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:14 am to RB10
quote:
Limiting turnovers, sure. The offense barely scored half of their opportunities in the red zone (31 of 60). Special teams scored the rest
Exactly. Nothing ventured nothing gained.
You can't turn the ball over when you don't take chances. But that also means you can't score touchdowns. Max protect is the new three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust for LSU.
I cant understand how y'all can't see that we got Les Miles 2.0. Orgeron has the exact same 'get a small lead and hold on for dear life regardless of game-time situation' mentality that Les Miles had.
It will be 9 or 10 wins forever with this coaching staff, assuming recruiting still holds up. If he gets a dynamic offensive coordinator he'll just handcuff him like he did Canada and like Les Miles did all of his offensive coordinators.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 9:42 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:24 am to Mr Meeseeks
quote:
LSU won that despite a terrible redzone offense. But once again you are avoiding the topic at hand. We are discussing SE's bonus for redzone offense
This is what's wrong with these people.
The critical thinking skills are very low and they can't head off problems or pick out trends. They just look at the final score or the final record, much the same way an administrator would or, I don't know, maybe an athletic director, and base their opinions off of that alone.
Real winners are always looking to improve and are detail oriented. They are perfectionists. They are always sweating the small stuff, self scouting and let no stone go unturned.
The mediocre focus on the end result and adjust accordingly. The problem with that is you're always behind the curve because you're adjusting after the fact.
The excellent focus on the process leading up to the end result. They know that if they incrementally achieve excellence in all the small things it'll add up to the results they're looking for. This puts them ahead of the curve as they're attacking problems and fine-tuning before the end results occur.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 9:26 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:31 am to bencoleman
quote:
Then do that. Point to what reason you think he's a shitty OC. Don't personally attack the man.
quote:
There's a difference between criticism and personal attacks.
You're right. And you don't know what that difference is. This tells me you have an emotional investment in the man.
Saying that Ensminger is ugly, his wife is a whore and his daughter is a fat slob, would be a personal attack.
Saying that he's not a good offensive coordinator on a sports forum dedicated to the team that he's coordinating, is not a personal attack.
If opinions of his job performance are considered personal attacks and not professional critiques, then what the frick would you consider a professional critique?
What would you consider, fair game? Because I've been following you for a while now and it seems like anything short of pure positivity for Les Miles' TE coach is out of bounds.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 9:33 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:40 am to RB10
quote:
31 of those trips they scored TDs. For 52%
This is really bad.
LSU finished at 27th in redzone scoring. .883 scoring percentage.
Ole miss 24th for .889
54 trips to the redzone
20 rushing and 7 passing 21 FGs
Ms state 29th .881
42 trips to the redzone
19 rushing 10 passing 8 FGs
UCF 15th .898
59 trips
17 rushing
16 passing
6 FGs
This is how LSU compared to a couple of their opponents.
They weren't terrible. They weren't great but not terrible.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:45 am to TrevRollings29
God he has such a punchable face 
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:49 am to bencoleman
quote:
LSU finished at 27th in redzone scoring. .883 scoring percentage.
They finished 119th in TD percentage. That is really bad.
quote:
Ole miss 24th for .889
54 trips to the redzone
20 rushing and 7 passing 21 FGs
TD conversion rate of 50%. That is really bad.
quote:
Ms state 29th .881
42 trips to the redzone
19 rushing 10 passing 8 FGs
TD conversion rate of 69.05%. That is good.
quote:
UCF 15th .898
59 trips
17 rushing
16 passing
6 FGs
TD conversion rate of 79.66%. This is elite and number 1 in the nation.
Sooner or later you'll realize that having to settle for a FG in the red zone is a failure by the offense.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:52 am to nola000
quote:
This tells me you have an emotional investment in the man
I'm 55 years old I watch the games in my livingroom. I'd love to catch a few games but I wasn't able to this past season. Usually I'm able to catch a couple. I'm not emotionally invested in anyone other than my family. So maybe you should utilize some of those critical thinking skills that you're so fond of a little better.
quote:
Because I've been following you for a while now
I've never seen or heard of you.
This board seems overwhelmingly negative towards the coaches. Actually it's a very vocal minority who also attack posters that don't RIP the coaches. I don't particularly care for some of the coaches but I believe in giving everyone a fair chance. This board wants it now. Well mr critical thinking it's not happening overnight. Whether you like it or not certain areas lacked depth and certain players were pressed into service either before they were ready or they're playing out of position. This season is going to be night and day compared to last.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:53 am to bencoleman
quote:Quit pumping this stat. That has almost nothing to do with Ensminger and everything to do with Cole Tracy being the second best kicker in the nation.
LSU finished at 27th in redzone scoring. .883 scoring percentage.
119th in TD percentage. That's the important stat you keep trying to work around and hide.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:58 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:
LSU finished at 27th in redzone scoring. .883 scoring percentage.
Quit pumping this stat. That has almost nothing to do with Ensminger and everything to do with Cole Tracy being the second best kicker in the nation.
119th in TD percentage. That's the important stat you keep trying to work around and hide
31 of those trips they scored TDs. For 52%
52% of the time LSU scored a touchdown in the redzone. I'm not trying to avoid anything. I got those numbers straight from the NCAA.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:58 am to bencoleman
quote:
With the personnel on the field Steve didn't do a terrible job.
You have to score touchdowns in the red zone, and you and I both know we were horrific in that category.
119th in the country man. 119th.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:59 am to bencoleman
quote:
31 of those trips they scored TDs.
For 52% 52% of the time LSU scored a touchdown in the redzone. I'm not trying to avoid anything. I got those numbers straight from the NCAA.
Which puts them in the bottom 10% of the country.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:00 am to bencoleman
quote:
I don't particularly care for some of the coaches but I believe in giving everyone a fair chance. This board wants it now. Well mr critical thinking it's not happening overnight.
Ben, you don't have to like the facts, but here are the facts:
Ed Orgeron, with the help of Derek Ponamski, told both Joe Alleva and the fans / boosters (you know, the people that dump over 100,000,000 a year into the program) that he would win championships and win them quickly.
He said he would do it by assembling a staff of the best available coaches out there. He agreed to only be paid 3.5 million dollars a year to free up the money to do so.
He said he understood the expectation to win championships.
It's 2019 now. LSU has not done better than a 3 loss regular season. Ed Orgeron has hired a staff of old friends and geriatrics.
If any part of that binder had been actually inserted in his contract, he'd already be fired for cause.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:06 am to bencoleman
quote:You keep saying this like it's a good thing. It isn't. It's actually terrible.
31 of those trips they scored TDs. For 52%
52% of the time LSU scored a touchdown in the redzone. I'm not trying to avoid anything. I got those numbers straight from the NCAA.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:19 am to p&g
“bad”
We have the eighth best offense in the SEC and a offense which produce less points and less yds than the OC we fired produced in 2015.
While I understand the why of the bonuses, I also understand the dismay of some tiger fans.
We have the eighth best offense in the SEC and a offense which produce less points and less yds than the OC we fired produced in 2015.
While I understand the why of the bonuses, I also understand the dismay of some tiger fans.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:27 am to bencoleman
quote:
Then do that. Point to what reason you think he's a shitty OC. Don't personally attack the man.
I didn't personally attack him. Jesus Christ, man. And people are hung up me saying "historically." Sorry. That was dramatic. Perhaps "typically bad" like the other poster suggested is more appropriate. For LSU it was a decent offense. For the rest of the country it was the 68th ranked offense that finished one spot ahead of Tulane.
The truth is he was terrible. Without Cole Tracy what do you think his redzone % drops to? Last year I watched Ensminger call play-action after play-action deep in our own territory when the o-line was getting whipped. Those plays take forever to develop. I watched Ensminger throw quick passes down the field only to get inside the 30, call 2 runs, a shitty play-action and then kick FG after FG. There were some really good moments with this offense but we never stuck with what was working. Not once. How many times did you see Burrow hit a wide open Moreau over the middle and not see that play again all game? The bottom line is he doesn't have the ability to adapt because he doesn't even know what type of offense he wants to run.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:38 am to The Pirate King
quote:
Oh please tell me how he did nothing to deserve the bonus for limiting turnovers and red zone scoring.
if we had had turnovers and poor RZ scoring you can damn well bet this guy and this board would have given E hell and trashed him unmercifully. besides, 50k is chump change as a bonus for a very good year.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:47 am to Tigerdew
quote:
Also, the OC has very little to do with turnovers lost
Are you joking?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:48 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
50k is chump change as a bonus for a very good year.
When you say "good year," for whom are you speaking?
The team overall? The Offense (qb play? wr play? ol play? rb play? te play?) or The Defense (CB play? Saftey play? lb play? DL play?)
There's different coaches for many of those different positions. So, looking at Steve Ensmingers production,
Total offense was not in the top 50.
Passing offense, not in top 50.
Rushing offense, not in top 50.
3rd down conversion, not in top 50.
completion percentage, not in top 50.
sacks allowed, not in top 50.
passes had intercepted - t for 7th overall
first downs - 33rd
red zone offense - 27th (field goals)
TOP - 31st
scoring offense - 37th (field goals)
I don't think that warrants a bonus for the man in charge of the offense.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:49 am to WhereOrWere
The redzone bonus makes no sense
He is essentially getting money for failing at his job and the special teams coach(cole tracy) excelling at his
He is essentially getting money for failing at his job and the special teams coach(cole tracy) excelling at his
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 10:50 am
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