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New Economics of the NFL
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:51 pm
This has been a trend that has been developing for the last several years and it is just about to be almost in full effect.
The question is "Can you pay top dollar for a Franchise QB and still put a winning team around him? Since 2013 only one Super Bowl has featured 2 teams paying Franchise QBs. That was the Super Bowl between Atlanta (Ryan) and New England (Brady). All of the other featured at least one QB that was still on their rookie deal or on the cheap.
Now look at this year's Playoffs.
NFC
1. Saints (Brees)
2. Rams (Goff----Rookie Deal)
3. Bears (Trabisky---Rookie Deal)
4. Cowboys (Prescott---Rookie Deal)
5. Seahawks (Wilson)
6. Eagles (Wentz---Rookie Deal, Foles Backup)
AFC
1. Chiefs----(Mahomes--Rookie Deal)
2. Pats----(Brady)
3. Texans---Watson (Rookie deal)
4. Ravens---Flacco/Jackson In fairness they are paying Flacco franchise money
5. Chargers---(Rivers)
6. Colts----(Luck)
So 6 of the 12 teams have their primary QB on a rookie deal
The question is "Can you pay top dollar for a Franchise QB and still put a winning team around him? Since 2013 only one Super Bowl has featured 2 teams paying Franchise QBs. That was the Super Bowl between Atlanta (Ryan) and New England (Brady). All of the other featured at least one QB that was still on their rookie deal or on the cheap.
Now look at this year's Playoffs.
NFC
1. Saints (Brees)
2. Rams (Goff----Rookie Deal)
3. Bears (Trabisky---Rookie Deal)
4. Cowboys (Prescott---Rookie Deal)
5. Seahawks (Wilson)
6. Eagles (Wentz---Rookie Deal, Foles Backup)
AFC
1. Chiefs----(Mahomes--Rookie Deal)
2. Pats----(Brady)
3. Texans---Watson (Rookie deal)
4. Ravens---Flacco/Jackson In fairness they are paying Flacco franchise money
5. Chargers---(Rivers)
6. Colts----(Luck)
So 6 of the 12 teams have their primary QB on a rookie deal
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 11:33 pm
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:54 pm to tigerterrace
Intradasting. Brady doesn't really count either because he never takes what he's worth
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:57 pm to tigerterrace
Luck is definitely not on his rookie deal any more. It’s crazy to think this is his 7th year in the league though.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:14 pm to thefarva78
Yeah Luck is making mega bucks.
And the Ravens are paying Flacco mega bucks, and the argument is can you pay a QB mega bucks and make the playoffs/SB. So they count on that side.
What this tells me is half the QBs are on their rookie deal, and the other half are making $22 mil (Brees, Rivers, and Brady) or more.
And the Ravens are paying Flacco mega bucks, and the argument is can you pay a QB mega bucks and make the playoffs/SB. So they count on that side.
What this tells me is half the QBs are on their rookie deal, and the other half are making $22 mil (Brees, Rivers, and Brady) or more.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:25 pm to bonethug0180
Luck is making crazy money, but they have one of the cheapest rosters in the NFL everywhere else. They have a very young and good offensive line, a cheap steal in Ebron, one of the best rookie linebackers ever and quarterback that spent his first 5-6 seasons playing on the run. And now he’s got all the time in the world. They’re in an interesting position to built something special with a ton of space and all thier picks.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:30 pm to Spelt it rong
quote:
Intradasting. Brady doesn't really count either because he never takes what he's worth
While it's true Brady takes less than he could, it's not a ton less like people make it out to be.
Over his career Brady has earned $10.9 mil per year. Brees has earned $12.6 mil per year. And that's actual money earned through the end of this season.
So he took on average $1.7 mil less than Brees each year. While that is less than what he could have taken, it isn't some huge hometown discount like it's made out to be.
This post was edited on 1/4/19 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 11:33 pm to BROpaneTANK
The question isn't how the roster is built around the QB, but whether a team can pay a QB elite money and still compete.
What you said about the Colts can also now be said about the Saints. We have a young core that's still on rookie deals outside a few key vets (mostly Jordan and Armstead).
What you said about the Colts can also now be said about the Saints. We have a young core that's still on rookie deals outside a few key vets (mostly Jordan and Armstead).
Posted on 1/4/19 at 6:30 am to bonethug0180
Rogers and Roethlisberger are well-played and their teams TYPICALLY make the playoffs. Just not this year.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 6:33 am to tigerterrace
What I see in this is a lot of those teams will drop off when they have to pay their quarterbacks.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 7:37 am to tigerterrace
This is why drafting well and developing young players is so important. It allows you to pay top dollar to get one of the best players at the most important position while still being able to afford a lot of talent around him to make it work.
This is why the Saints had three 7-9 seasons and outside of 2006 and 2009, couldn't get over the hump(NFC champ game). It's why the Saints are on a tear right now. Don't make him show you his 'oh' face.
This is why the Saints had three 7-9 seasons and outside of 2006 and 2009, couldn't get over the hump(NFC champ game). It's why the Saints are on a tear right now. Don't make him show you his 'oh' face.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:11 am to jbeard
quote:
Rogers and Roethlisberger are well-played and their teams TYPICALLY make the playoffs. Just not this year.
While this is true about making the playoffs neither team has been in the Super Bowl in a while, so they really have not been in a position for a title while paying top dollar.
The 2011 Super Bowl (2010 season) featured Green Bay vs Pittsburgh. It was the last one for both franchises.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:32 am to tigerterrace
Teams that have franchise QBs have less to spend on depth so when injuries hit, they're screwed. See Atlanta this year.
The NFL is always evolving. About the only system in the last 10 years that seems to adapt is New England. Find your franchise QB and do not get emotionally attached to any player.
It also helps to have the best coach of all time, but other teams (notably Seattle) seem to be doing a mild imitation.
They deconstructed the Legion of Boom, ditched Beast Mode, etc.
Problem is fans will only tolerate that if you win. If we let Ingram walk because it doesn't make financial sense to pay a 30 year old RB and we struggle, there will be a mutiny.
Some of the Saints best moves were letting go of top talent at their peak.
Graham trade
Cooks trade
Both worked out amazing. About the only player I can think of we let go too soon was Sproles and he's just a freak outlier.
The NFL is always evolving. About the only system in the last 10 years that seems to adapt is New England. Find your franchise QB and do not get emotionally attached to any player.
It also helps to have the best coach of all time, but other teams (notably Seattle) seem to be doing a mild imitation.
They deconstructed the Legion of Boom, ditched Beast Mode, etc.
Problem is fans will only tolerate that if you win. If we let Ingram walk because it doesn't make financial sense to pay a 30 year old RB and we struggle, there will be a mutiny.
Some of the Saints best moves were letting go of top talent at their peak.
Graham trade
Cooks trade
Both worked out amazing. About the only player I can think of we let go too soon was Sproles and he's just a freak outlier.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 2:10 pm to ulsaint
quote:
Some of the Saints best moves were letting go of top talent at their peak.
Graham trade
seriously, you pick graham as one of your examples?
im not saying you couldnt make that point when it comes to other players but not with graham
graham raped us with a mega deal where we had to get rid of sproles and let quit a few defense starters go just to afford to pay him, and then he was a disgruntled spoiled brat about it who still thought he deserved more money.
they had no choice but to get rid of him because he only put in a half assed effort on the field after he got that huge guaranteed contract deal
the saints were very lucky to unload him and get "something" out of that deal and they got very lucky it worked out well for them. they didnt trade him at his peak, he was mailing it in and didnt want to play for us any more, thats why they traded him
Posted on 1/4/19 at 3:43 pm to keakar
They got Unger and a first round pick that they used on Ramczyk. That was a pretty good trade getting two OL starters.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:41 pm to tigerterrace
quote:
They got Unger and a first round pick that they used on Ramczyk. That was a pretty good trade getting two OL starters.
yes, but that wasnt my point. the OP said
quote:he wasnt "top talent at their peak" at that point, he was a locker room distraction and a disgruntled guy who wasnt putting in full effort and everyone knew this.
Some of the Saints best moves were letting go of top talent at their peak.
they got rid of him because they had no other choice but to get rid of him or force him to stay and he would continue to not try hard and then they get nothing when he left.
that was my point
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:22 pm to tigerterrace
This says to me that depending on when Brees retires, the Saints will be in a good position to have continued success due to the strong possibility of having talent across the board and QB on a bargain deal to lead them.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 3:02 pm to mark65mc
quote:
and QB on a bargain deal to lead them.
I somewhat agree, but let's not pretend that great QB's are easy to come by. You almost have to be lucky and/or have a top 10 pick handy.
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 3:25 pm to tigerterrace
Brees should be the last franchise QB we ever have
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:01 pm to Hamma1122
No he doesn't:
Brady contract
$22 mil this year.
Another one
Like Brees, Brady had existing bonuses in future years. He also had a restructure that gave him another $5 mil this year (supposedly to try to help smooth things over).
Brady contract
$22 mil this year.
Another one
Like Brees, Brady had existing bonuses in future years. He also had a restructure that gave him another $5 mil this year (supposedly to try to help smooth things over).
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 4:04 pm
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