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re: Expanding CFP Won't Increase Parity

Posted on 12/31/18 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/31/18 at 2:39 pm to
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The thing is, if it was tOSU or UGA and the outcome was the same then everyone would be saying Oh ND would have given them a better game.


No one with any sense would have said that.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4569 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 2:53 pm to
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No one with any sense would have said that.


If ND was left out and tOSU was goose egged liked they were two years ago (to the day!) then it would have been on the lips of every CFB-watching person in America.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
37226 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:30 pm to
My take 

5 power 5 champs 
*provided they are ranked in the top 10 

3 wildcards 
*group of 5 auotmatic if in the top 10 

The BCS formula would be used 

The committee ranks the 8 eligible teams (meet ONCE to determine top 4) 

The top 4 play at home 

No "two team restriction" per conference. If a spot opens up due to a weak conference champ not being eligible, and the Pac 12 has 5 teams...so be it. 
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73988 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:31 pm to
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it would have been on the lips of every CFB-watching person in America


Nope, because Notre Dame is always who we think they are. Some people never learn, sure, but a lot of us tried telling y'all a month ago...
Posted by mjax57
Vinings, GA
Member since Mar 2012
3447 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:40 pm to
Yeah, since the four teams have really showed parity. It’s literally been (Bama, Clemson, OU) every season of the playoff with one team that changes.

All this playoff has done is given the big 10, SEC, and ACC an automatic seat at the dance.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:51 pm to
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Every team’s first loss should be a huge freaking deal, that’s what makes the CFB regular season so electric and compelling


But it's bullshite that all schedules are not created equal. Do we really think Clemson is unbeatable? They played a shite schedule and were rewarded by playing Notre Dame, probably the worst team to ever make the CFB.

Yes Bama is the best team but Georiga was a top 4 team and didn't get in because they play in the SEC. I think 8 is the best number personally.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8976 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 3:52 pm to
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is stupid, what distinguished college football from other sports in American history and makes it so compelling on a weekly basis is the overwhelming and immense emphasis it places on regular season performance, every regular season game is a one-game playoff and college football exists in a format that incentivizes undefeated seasons whereas, in the NFL, undefeated seasons are a goal, an accomplishment. The more we expand the CFP, giving one/two-loss teams mulligans with this tournament, the more we diminish the entire point of college football, its distinguishing and compelling format that sets it apart.


I would listen to this argument but it has already proven to be false. Alabama has made the CFP with one loss, heck, they made it by not even winning their own division, much less conference.

I think what you mean to say is that one loss is devastating for teams like Iowa or Virginia or Arizona, but if your Alabama or Clemson one loss is okay, just don't lose two.

I'm an FCS fan and I can tell you the conference and playoff chases are fun to watch and follow. Each weak as the season winds on there is debate on who is in/out and there are many games each week that have playoff implications. Do it on an FBS level with an 8 team playoff and it would be way more interesting than it is right now.
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4569 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:13 pm to
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Georiga was a top 4 team and didn't get in because they lost to 3-loss LSU.


Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
71063 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:24 pm to
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Every team’s first loss should be a huge freaking deal, that’s what makes the CFB regular season so electric and compelling. Why we care about week 1 the same as week 6 the same as week 12.


Except 99% of teams have a loss long before week 12

More teams in the playoffs means more teams are relevant later in the season.

Losing 2 games doesn’t mean you’re done anymore.

Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
73617 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:26 pm to
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I think what you mean to say is that one loss is devastating for teams like Iowa or Virginia or Arizona, but if your Alabama or Clemson one loss is okay, just don't lose two.
Yep.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
37226 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 4:55 pm to
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Losing 2 games doesn’t mean you’re done anymore.


How so? No offense, but I think UGA got the shaft...and Im not a Bulldog fan.

Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
49622 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 5:13 pm to
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How so? No offense, but I think UGA got the shaft...and Im not a Bulldog fan.


you blew a two touchdown lead in Atlanta. you have the least case of anybody
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 5:21 pm to
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The entire point of college football is to crown a champion in a way that makes sense.


College football accomplishes this with a format unique and specific to them that emphasizes regular season performance to the greatest degree of any sport in the galaxy and rewards/essentially requires undefeated seasons for consideration. Its really a question of tradeoff and how far one wants this to go without eliminating the utility, intent, and design of the college football model. The more you give 1/2-loss teams mulligans with this tournament format, the less the regular season performance means in terms of basically requiring undefeated seasons, transforming the college football model into a quasi-NFL format. Its these big picture things we have to be mindful of when considering monumental and transformative acts.

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Whole concept of "let's not have a real tournament because that's what makes us different!" is asinine.


Disagree, it distinguishes college football, its unique to other sports, its what makes Saturdays special, sui generis, and it theoretically does more to discourage losing than a tournament format does, therefore upholding the traditions and greatness of American college football that our forefathers began and TR championed. I agree with its intent and I like every game constituting a one-game playoff, keeps me interested weekend to weekend. Also, people are proposing human solutions to human-created problems, see the issue there? Negative externalities and things of that nature are inevitable to occur, just sayin can't make everybody happy.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
37226 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 7:25 pm to
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you blew a two touchdown lead in Atlanta. you have the least case of anybody



Reading comprehension amigo:
"I'm not a Bulldog fan"

That being said...they truck the domers. If the goal is having the two best teams in the final...you don't leave out UGA imho. I feel including eight teams eliminates this argument to a large degree. Just my .02.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 7:37 pm
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140067 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 7:27 pm to
Can you tell me what the definition of best team is with no wiggle room or hedging?

Don’t try because nobody can
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
37226 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 7:51 pm to
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Don’t try because nobody can


Okiedokie. So lets say the most consistently successful team that rises to the challenge while under duress which would be illustrated by winning an 8 team playoff with a format that includes:

5 "Power 5" champions will be automatic qualifiers provided they are ranked in the top 10  

3 wildcards  
The BCS formula would be used to determine them and a "Group of 5" champion will get an auotmatic berth if in the top 10  

To appease the people tgat hate the BCS, tge current committee will rank the 8 eligible teams (meeting ONCE to determine top 4).
  
The top 4 play at home  

No "two team restriction" per conference. If a spot opens up due to a weak conference champ not being eligible, and the Pac 12 has 5 teams...so be it. 

The semifinals and final will be at neutral sites as currently constructed.

Thats the best I have to offer.

Happy New Year amigo.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
71063 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:09 pm to
I meant In an 8 tam playoff.

Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
37226 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 8:12 pm to
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I meant In an 8 tam playoff. 


Cool beans. Obviously I missed that. Sorry amigo.
Posted by Cypdog
Member since Jan 2014
835 posts
Posted on 12/31/18 at 9:18 pm to
tournaments are more exciting but not a better way to determine a champion. When have we ever had a legitimate debate as to if #5-8 was worthy of title contention. Usually we don’t even debate that about number 4. We are often including teams that have no business there just to round out 4. Tournaments also reward the hottest teams rather than those who had the better season. Evidence proves this out with the additional baseball wildcards and their success as well as what happens in the NCAA bb tournaments. Carmello Anthony’s Syracuse team had to win their conference tourney to secure a bid and wound up winning the whole thing. That has no place in college football.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
7896 posts
Posted on 1/1/19 at 9:44 am to
5 big conferences need to go to 12 teams.

Play everyone in the conference + one OOC game per year.

No conference championship game needed.

5 conference winners plus one at large make it to the playoffs.

Conference Champs with the best record get a bye. If there is more than 2, SOS is the determining factor.

This eliminates a majority of human opinion, eye test bullshite and makes it so the argument Is among teams for the last playoff spot that didn't win their conference, therefore, no one is truly -'jipped'
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