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re: Argument shifts of the left
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:53 am to SCLibertarian
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:53 am to SCLibertarian
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The Patriot Act
Can you please explain to me how the Patriot Act itself wasn't a complete 180 degree turnaround for conservatives when it was passed by them in 2004?
Why do you people only focus on the hypocrisy of the 'other' party, instead of finding the hypocrisy everywhere?
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:55 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Do you not see the weekly threads bashing Bush, McCain, Kristol the whole neocon wing of the party?
I don’t see any poster here championing their accomplishments or praising them.
I don’t see any poster here championing their accomplishments or praising them.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:03 am to Strannix
Yes, and once libs shift things to the left, the cuckservitives fight to maintain the left’s new normal from other republican with a spine while libs go on to shift things further.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:33 am to Magician2
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Can you please explain to me how the Patriot Act itself wasn't a complete 180 degree turnaround for conservatives when it was passed by them in 2004?
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weekly threads bashing Bush, McCain, Kristol the whole neocon wing of the party
It's a little late for that. Why wasn't the hypocrisy pointed out AT THE TIME? Why isn't Trump being criticized NOW for his excursions away from conservatism? What happened to all the bitching and moaning about the budget deficit and why are we borrowing money to give ourselves a tax break? Where is the money supposed to come from for the wall, more borrowing?
I know what's going to happen, the same shite that ALWAYS happens, once Trump is gone, and his legacy is exposed for the disaster it is, no one will fess up to supporting him - much like Bush today. Bush was great when he was trampling on our rights and beating the drums for war, no one criticized him at the time, but now we can hardly seem to find anyone who supported him.
Two years of Republican control of the government, and precious little complaining about the budget - like we had under Obama. It's a farce.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:45 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Why isn't Trump being criticized NOW for his excursions away from conservatism?
I don't think Trump ever presented himself as a conservative.
I voted for him because he's not a globalist or a politically correct , sorry arse politician.
Are you a Libertarian ?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:58 am to TBoy
Well most people and all normal people understand that one cannot change his or her gender. We have science to back us up on this.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:04 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Why wasn't the hypocrisy pointed out AT THE TIME?
Because the same media that lampoons Trump on a daily basis is the same one that ignored or blacked out the significant faction of Ron Paul Republicans who opposed the excesses of the Bush administration. There wasn't a group of people more opposed to the Patriot Act than Ron Paul supporters in the 2008 and 2012 primaries.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:05 am to AggieHank86
quote:Which is why any rational person should be a small c conservative. Because govt ONLY moves in ONE direction.
Try not to be more of an idiot than usual. This is how ALL politics works, from all parties and all points of the political spectrum.
That's because of the basic principle that you can't get to less than zero but there's no end at the other end.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:09 am to 93and99
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I don't think Trump ever presented himself as a conservative.
So Conservatism is officially dead?
That would explain it. I'm just surprised that the liberal MSM didn't pick up on that story.
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Are you a Libertarian ?
I don't associate myself with any group other than, "American".
I hold libertarian positions, conservative positions as well as liberal positions. Sometimes all on the same day.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:09 am to Strannix
Andrew Sullivan explains that the purpose of the gay rights movement was never intended to stop at 'equal rights.' The goal is to achieve a society wide acceptance as being 'normal.' Obviously being gay is natural since it occurs in nature. However, it is not normal according to the laws of biology.
Sullivan makes the distinction that in social interactions with people we can get past hostility toward gays but even a gay's closest friends and family don't regard his sexuality as normal. That is the goal. And it's not really a political goal since it cannot be legislated.
Sullivan makes the distinction that in social interactions with people we can get past hostility toward gays but even a gay's closest friends and family don't regard his sexuality as normal. That is the goal. And it's not really a political goal since it cannot be legislated.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:10 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:For example?
I hold libertarian positions
quote:For example?
conservative positions
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:37 am to ShortyRob
quote:
For example?
I'm a strong proponent of property rights, and believe that Eminent Domain is greatly over-applied. I generally support market-based solutions to economic problems, and that, generally, those markets should be free to respond to supply and demand.
I opposed the Iraq War and the Patriot Act from the very start.
I also support the development of a global marketplace because I think trade tends to dissuade war. I also don't believe that wealth is a zero-sum game, and that trade deficits can act as a sort of 'investment' into trading partners economic growth. The wealthier our trading partners, the better for our trade and economy.
I'm also a proponent of staying out of other countries internal affairs. If we disagree with the way they conduct their affairs, we just shouldn't trade with them.
I also believe that government should be applied sparingly.
More specifically, I side with the libertarians that the wall is a hindrance to economic freedom and growth, and I side with the conservatives that developing markets south of the border would be more effective than fomenting war.
ETA:
Further, I believe that we are, in fact, taxed enough already, and that we have a borrowing/spending problem rather than a revenue problem, and to that end our entitlement programs need drastic overhauls as they seem to be neither effective, nor efficient in delivering services.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:08 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I side with the libertarians that the wall is a hindrance to economic freedom and growth
That is not a libertarian position. We have no problem with the free flow with Canada and other developed nations since it does promote economic growth. However, we do not support the invasion of welfare seekers from Mexico that destroy economic growth and increase the power of the govt.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:13 pm to Zach
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libertarian position. We...
No one is buying your fear-mongering demagoguery as 'Libertarianism', Zach. You're simply a tool, not a Libertarian. The wall represents a big government 'solution' to an economic problem. That is not Libertarianism.
Remember, there is no nation-state in anarcho-capitalism.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:50 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I submit that this is why any rational person should be a libertarian.quote:Which is why any rational person should be a small c conservative. Because govt ONLY moves in ONE direction.
Try not to be more of an idiot than usual. This is how ALL politics works, from all parties and all points of the political spectrum.
That's because of the basic principle that you can't get to less than zero but there's no end at the other end.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:55 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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No one is buying your fear-mongering demagoguery as 'Libertarianism', Zach. You're simply a tool, not a Libertarian.
Well, it's time for another idiot to take the test.
Name ONE position I've taken on this board that is not Libertarian?
Feel free to check all of my posting history.
Then come back and apologize unlike the other 20 idiots who made your mistake.
Go ahead. Try.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:55 pm to Zach
quote:A Wall is not a libertarian solution. The libertarian solution is to end governmental benefits which incentivize citizens not working and thus creating a market for immigrant labor OR ending non-citizen access to governmental benefits (to the extent that such benefits would exist).quote:That is not a libertarian position. We have no problem with the free flow with Canada and other developed nations since it does promote economic growth. However, we do not support the invasion of welfare seekers from Mexico that destroy economic growth and increase the power of the govt.
I side with the libertarians that the wall is a hindrance to economic freedom and growth
Quit paying citizens to not work, and the market for immigrant labor will shrink substantially.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:58 pm to AggieHank86
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A Wall is not a libertarian solution. The libertarian solution is to end governmental benefits which incentivize citizens not working and thus creating a market for immigrant labor OR ending non-citizen access to governmental benefits (to the extent that such benefits would exist).
There are more than one solution. I'm all for ending all govt benefits instead of a wall. Assuming that does not happen (and it won't) then a wall is a better solution than open borders.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:59 pm to Strannix
They'll be tryin to legulize philadelphia soon!!
Touchin them children's under their phillies jerseys!
Touchin them children's under their phillies jerseys!
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:09 pm to Zach
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Well, it's time for another idiot to take the test.
I agree you should take the test.
quote:
Feel free to check all of my posting history.
91,000+ posts of pure garbage, and you want me to go rummaging through that shite?
I've seen enough of your threads on Starbucks, golf, and news of the weird to know that you're a barely functioning, developmentally challenged bumpkin, thank you.
And spare us the story on how you once wrote an essay on Libertarianism in high school that you plagiarized from Time Magazine. I've seen enough of those stories.
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