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re: Oh look Coach O is doing what he set out to do!
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:54 pm to NoPandGglasses
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:54 pm to NoPandGglasses
Thought this about Coach O, those others were under the last coaching staff.
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:59 pm to Tiger Tracker
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You're saying "missing" on 3 kids in 2018 and 1 in 2013 is a trend. It's actually not that at all. If it happened every year since 2013 sure but you're saying there's a 5 year gap in us missing out on players is a trend is just not accurate as the word trend is defined.
U High doesn't have a 4 or 5 star recruit every year to be recruited...hole in your argument and it does not refute my argument...
Trend as Defined by Mirriam Webster:
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: a line of general direction or movement
the trend of the coast turned toward the west
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: a prevailing tendency or inclination : drift
current trends in education
The trend since 2011 of top LA talent from LSU to out of state schools; especially U High in the case of 2018, but part of a larger trend since 2011, specifically regarding 4 star, highly ranked recruits to top 5 programs from Louisiana High Schools.
If you can't see it, then I can't help you.
I'll tell you what else is a trend, people on this board who know there is a trend, commenting on this board/making a post, and being poopooed by people that have their head in the sand that deny there is actually "a trend that exists".
That is another "trend"....
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: a current style or preference : vogue
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:00 pm to NoPandGglasses
Dude. Take a Xanax or something.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:04 pm to toratiger
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Can't miss if you don't aim at those targets.
Thanks...I'm not the only one who "gets it"...
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:10 pm to NoPandGglasses
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Yep, and the coaches at Clemson, Georgia, and Alabama are all IDIOTS TOO...
Well, let me see....Clemson has a commitment from the #8 player in LA but not a single Top 10 player in South Carolina.
Georgia has a commitment from the #17 player in LA but only 2 of the top 15 in Georgia.
Alabama has a commitment from the #11 player in the state of LA but all (3) 5* players from Alabama are all commited to Bama rivals.
......meanwhile Orgeron has commitments from 7 of the top 10 in LA and may land as many as 9 of 10.
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I don't need recruiting services to tell me who is good and who is bad...Coach's evaluations are better and more important than recruiting services.
Except when Aranda rates other LB's ahead of a LB from U-High, though, huh?
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Harris is a 4 star from LA verbally committed to Bama. McCallum is a 3 star from Alabama that has no offer from Saban.
And last year Saban signed a 3 star (Eddie Smith) from Mandeville that LSU didn't offer.
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You have no clue as to what you are saying. How did Saban win a NC at LSU? How did Miles do it? How old were you in 2003 when Saban won a NC and brought LSU out of the gutters of college football to a top 5 team?
You have made a horrible argument based on subjective BS, generalities and no facts. Try again. Next time, bring it with some testosterone and a brain. Thanks for playing....have a nice day...
I'm from Miami and I was 43 when LSU won the NC in 2003. Do you think you know more about college football or how to build a program by keeping the talent at home? I also played baseball professionally and at LSU and was offered a scholarship to play at Miami. And if I would "stayed home" to play at the U, I would have a national championship ring because they were a much better program at the time. Do you think you know more than me about what goes through a recruit's mind when deciding to stay at home or go away to school?
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:13 pm to LSU82BILL
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Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:14 pm to NoPandGglasses
I'm not sure why you're crying over spilled milk from 5 years ago. We aren't the only school to lose talent in state. In fact, we are probably better at keeping homegrown talent here than just about anyone. We have a legit shot to sign 8 out of the top 10 prospects from LA this year in a really talented class. The two happen to be U high kids that want to go elsewhere. I like Starks better than Constantin and Harris as a LB prospect. Aranda likes McCallum and Dean better as well.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:25 pm to LSU82BILL
LSU82BILL...Schneider and Robbins sound familiar?
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:33 pm to GetmorewithLes
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I think you have two...
Yes, I'm an a-hole...I might have 3! Or, just one big one, but I'm not buying that Aranda is stupid, dumb, or a bad evaluator of talent, nor that these guys don't fit our scheme of defense or that they are not willing to play defense.
Aranda is extremely smart, a great DC, and great evaluator talent...without question on the whole.
These conditions and the trend in recruiting came about before he became our DC. It's his and Orgeron's job to fix it and reverse the trend.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:54 pm to GeauxLSU4
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I'm not sure why you're crying over spilled milk from 5 years ago. We aren't the only school to lose talent in state. In fact, we are probably better at keeping homegrown talent here than just about anyone. We have a legit shot to sign 8 out of the top 10 prospects from LA this year in a really talented class. The two happen to be U high kids that want to go elsewhere. I like Starks better than Constantin and Harris as a LB prospect. Aranda likes McCallum and Dean better as well.
You are right...if LSU is satisfied with being Bama's #2 and second or 3rd in the SEC West...we can all relive the good ole days of Charlie Mac mediocrity of the 1960s and 1970's where Bama wins multiple NCs and LSU is irrelevant. An argument could be made that we are reliving the Charle Mac decades since 2011 right now...I surely can feel the mediocrity.
In case you don't know, LSU is one of only two SEC programs where the state's population is relatively small and there is only one flagship university or major program that draws top talent. MO is the other and that state does not compare to LA in players put in the NFL.
Alabama: Bama and AU
Mississippi: Ole Miss & Miss St.
Tennessee: Vandy and Tennessee
Georgia: UGA and GA Tech
Florida: UF, FSU, and Miami...UCF and South FL may soon be perennial top teams too as Florida's population continues to boom. UCF is on the cusp as we speak...
Kentucky: UK and Louisville
Texas: UT, A&M, Baylor, TCU, TX Tech, OU and OSU, even though they are not located in TX, without TX recruits OU and OSU would not be able to put together a top 25 football team...ever.
South Carolina: Clemson and South Carolina - State population is very close to LA - South Carolina traditionally over the last 40 years has put less players per capita in the NFL than LA. Louisiana puts more players in the NFL, per capita than any other state in the Union.
Steve Spurrier wanted to be head coach at LSU in the late 1980's because he knew LSU was the only Flagship team in LA and the treasure trove of Louisiana talent our state had to offer. He has publicly commented on it many times. He knew the secret to winning at LSU is to put a fence up. That's one reason we talk about the "fence" to this very day.
A second genius of college football was and is Nick Saban...why did he come to LSU? Why did he put a fence around LA recruits? Why does he continue to spend time, resources, and money recruiting Louisiana when he takes 4 and 5 stars from all over the Nation? He does not need LA recruits...he want's LA recruits because he wants to win....and you win when you have the best players and the other team (LSU) does not have those players (the double wammy of our recruiting affliction regarding Bama).
Some people just don't get it!
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 10:25 pm to LSU82BILL
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I'm from Miami and I was 43 when LSU won the NC in 2003. Do you think you know more about college football or how to build a program by keeping the talent at home? I also played baseball professionally and at LSU and was offered a scholarship to play at Miami. And if I would "stayed home" to play at the U, I would have a national championship ring because they were a much better program at the time. Do you think you know more than me about what goes through a recruit's mind when deciding to stay at home or go away to school?
Well, then, you know how Miami won all those NCs in Football too...and that was by keeping FL kids in state, especially South FL kids...and you know the core of those NC teams at Miami consisted of South FL kids...without them as the base, there would have been no NCs at Miami, and that is why they are struggling today, and you know the story of why Spurrier wanted to be he HC at LSU that I reference in this thread....right?
I do have a good idea of what goes through a recruits mind and I also know that coaches have to overcome objections and prejudice against the home team with certain recruits...especially when Bama has been dominating LSU since 2011.
But, your input is desired on this site by me and others! Thank you for going to LSU!
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:11 pm to NoPandGglasses
Reading this post made me feel like I was an accomplice in my own rape.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:41 pm to LSU82BILL
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Well, let me see....Clemson has a commitment from the #8 player in LA but not a single Top 10 player in South Carolina.
BS...according to 247, a composite of all recruiting sites, they have one 5 star and 2 four stars and the rest are 3 stars in the state of SC in 2019 - its a very bad year for recruiting talent in SC; If Clemson wants top talent, they will have to go out of state for it in 2019. They also have to compete with instate rival and an SEC team in USCe. LSU is a flagship University with no other top, in state program to compete against.
Geographically speaking, Clemson is at a significant disadvantage to LSU with UGA, UT, and USCe in closer proximity to Clemson than any team/major program is to LSU in MS, TX, or AR. Geography plays a huge role in recruiting as you know.
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Georgia has a commitment from the #17 player in LA but only 2 of the top 15 in Georgia.
Makiya Tongue is 247s composite ranked 12th player in LA. I like 247 ranking better than them all because it is a composite ranking of the industry analysts as a whole. While one recruiting analyst may be wrong, its unlikely that they all will be wrong. UGA has two from the top 10 verbally committed from Georgia, but Georgia has 30 4 stars or better in state. Louisiana by comparison has 13 4 stars or better in state. LA has less than half of Georgia's gross talent.
Similarly to South Carolina, UGA geographically speaking, is similar to Clemson in that is at a significant disadvantage to LSU with Bama, UTenn, AU, FSU, Clemson, GA Tech and USCe in closer proximity to UGA than any team/major program is to LSU in MS, TX, or AR. Geography plays a huge role in recruiting as you know.
UGA is also cherry picking 4 stars from all over the SE USA because they, in two years have become a top 5 program.
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Alabama has a commitment from the #11 player in the state of LA but all (3) 5* players from Alabama are all commited to Bama rivals.
Per 247, Bama has 6 of the top 10 in Alabama and has won enough NCs to be able to recruit nationally. They have one 3 star recruit and the other 23 of 24 are 4 stars or better.
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......meanwhile Orgeron has commitments from 7 of the top 10 in LA and may land as many as 9 of 10.
LSU has 7 of the top 11 per 247 and may get 9 of the top 12, but that is not the point. LSU is currently not Bama, or Clemson, or UGA. LSU needs 12 of 12 to be able to beat Bama or at least 10 of 12 in LA. You are missing the point and filling team needs with the best players is the most important priority.
ILB, OLB, and Safety are all team position needs and until Nakobe Dean signs a LOI to LSU - all three of these (Constanin, Harris, and Tongue) are better than what we have verbally committed (I'm referring to one recruit, McCallum vs. Harris) or where no other prospect has been identified as being currently recruited (OLB & Safety). We have an OLB and Safety spot currently unfilled and no prospects of higher rank than the 3 at University High that would fill our positions of need. This is the point.
Harris higher ranked than McCallum at ILB and faster.
Constantin would compliment our TX OLB verbally committed (spot is unfilled) - need 2 OLBs. No higher rank prospect has been identified other than possibly Dean, if he is willing to play OLB or Starks is willing to play OLB...Dean is currently listed as ILB.
Tongue would be a Safety (spot is unfilled) no higher ranked prospect at Safety has been identified up to this point.
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Except when Aranda rates other LB's ahead of a LB from U-High, though, huh?
I don't believe that! He thinks Harris is going to honor his verbal to Bama and he won't get Dean...McCallum is the fall-back, sure bet option. The best he thinks LSU and he can do at this point.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 12:09 am
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:49 pm to NoPandGglasses
As a former graduate of U high(myself and my son), I would like to thank you for your enthusiasm for my alma mater!
I know something about the kids that go to that school. They have grown up on the LSU campus. Attended classes, lectures, concerts on the LSU campus.
You can't fault those kids from wanting to broaden their horizons. They do have some D1 talent there, but Coach O and his assistant coaches prefered other talent at those positions.
Also, I wouldn't try to use Tim Williams in your argument. I believe LSU did recruit him until he got in trouble and LSU cooled off on his recruitment. Wouldn't call that a whiff........
There have been plenty of Louisiana talent get away from LSU from both Miles(1 for 5 anyone) and O. I can only think of a few that really hurt. Landon Collins, Cam Robinson most recently
I know something about the kids that go to that school. They have grown up on the LSU campus. Attended classes, lectures, concerts on the LSU campus.
You can't fault those kids from wanting to broaden their horizons. They do have some D1 talent there, but Coach O and his assistant coaches prefered other talent at those positions.
Also, I wouldn't try to use Tim Williams in your argument. I believe LSU did recruit him until he got in trouble and LSU cooled off on his recruitment. Wouldn't call that a whiff........
There have been plenty of Louisiana talent get away from LSU from both Miles(1 for 5 anyone) and O. I can only think of a few that really hurt. Landon Collins, Cam Robinson most recently
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:53 pm to NoPandGglasses
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don't need recruiting services to tell me who is good and who is bad...Coach's evaluations are better and more important than recruiting services...
And, these 3 are all committed to top 5 teams.
Scheme/"system" has nothing to do with speed and Harris is faster than McCallum or in this case at ILB. Recruits are to be trained in the scheme...there is no scheme difference that is significant between Bama's defense and LSU...they both run a 3-4 defense...so BS on scheme.
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You are an idiot.......and a long-winded one at that. Sometimes a highly ranked player isn’t a fit for your system. Sometimes a staff doesn’t rank a player as high as the recruiting services rank him
You have no clue as to what you are saying. How did Saban win a NC at LSU? How did Miles do it? How old were you in 2003 when Saban won a NC and brought LSU out of the gutters of college football to a top 5 team?
LA talent is 60 to 70% of the core of our team year in and year out!
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A 4* player from out of state is better than a 4* local kid who isn’t a good fit, is overrated or doesn’t want to be a Tiger.
Harris is a 4 star from LA verbally committed to Bama. McCallum is a 3 star from Alabama that has no offer from Saban
Sweet jesus you are all over the place. One minute the recruiting services count the next you trust the coaches evaluations. You don't trust Aranda's though we know that. You even refuse to believe a recruits forty time who by this time has had it checked by multiple entities repeatedly. You pick and choose whichever piece of information you want to bolster your argument while ignoring information that doesn't. You argue like an hysterical woman. You've posted a lot of stuff yet you haven't won many people over.
Anyway have a great day. You haven't been successful here. Hopefully that's a comfort.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:57 pm to LSU$$$
Absolutely spot on - we can't get all three...
But, to wiff on all three, and not land one, when we need the positions they are talented enough to play is what hurts.
LA kids are a must and make up the core of any LSU recruiting class, not just per me, but per Saban and Spurrier! I just agree with them and it is my observation as someone who follows recruiting and is an LSU fan as you are.
But, to wiff on all three, and not land one, when we need the positions they are talented enough to play is what hurts.
LA kids are a must and make up the core of any LSU recruiting class, not just per me, but per Saban and Spurrier! I just agree with them and it is my observation as someone who follows recruiting and is an LSU fan as you are.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:12 am to Dudebro2
Jesus. There’s a lot of butthurt in this thread. Following recruiting definitely isn’t for the faint of heart.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:14 am to NoPandGglasses
What I'm trying to explain to you is I don't think it's a knock on those kids or the school in general.
Those kids just are ready to see other places. Former LSU safety Ryan Clark's son is on that team and is a recruit for next year. Don't think LSU is recruiting him either. It's not a knock on him, just think LSU has their sites on higher rated players.
I'm pretty sure those kids don't feel slighted. They were probably not all that jazzed about spending their college years on the same campus that they went to high school.
And some U High players do go to LSU. Nick Brossette, Garrett Brumfield are U High kids. I'm sure if the current U High crop wanted to go to LSU, they would have camped there every year.
Those kids just are ready to see other places. Former LSU safety Ryan Clark's son is on that team and is a recruit for next year. Don't think LSU is recruiting him either. It's not a knock on him, just think LSU has their sites on higher rated players.
I'm pretty sure those kids don't feel slighted. They were probably not all that jazzed about spending their college years on the same campus that they went to high school.
And some U High players do go to LSU. Nick Brossette, Garrett Brumfield are U High kids. I'm sure if the current U High crop wanted to go to LSU, they would have camped there every year.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:20 am to NoPandGglasses
What school did Brosette go to?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:24 am to lsutbt
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What school did Brosette go to?
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And some U High players do go to LSU. Nick Brossette, Garrett Brumfield are U High kids. I'm sure if the current U High crop wanted to go to LSU, they would have camped there every year.
U High
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 12:26 am
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