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Oh look Coach O is doing what he set out to do!
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 2:38 pm to Dudebro2
To your article link tho... Florida with 1 in state recruit
Posted on 12/16/18 at 3:04 pm to TrouserTrout
Cause he posted an idiotic, political version of this thread that got deleted 30 minutes ago.
He's earned them.
He's earned them.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:33 pm to Dudebro2
I disagree. There is no recruiting wall around Louisiana (LA) today or since 2011. Not as long as LSU can't land ONE University High 4 star at a position of need. And, there are three at that HS and LSU has a goose egg (0) on three chances for verbals in 2019.
And, this is why losing Constantine, Harris, and Tongue out of University High is such a big hurt to LSU. 2020 will be a down year in LA...we need another OLB in 2019. Constantin could have filled that gap, Harris can play OLB, ILB, or safety, Tongue can play OLB or Safety.
LSU signed two hybrid DE/OLBs in 2018, one is a JUCO and he only creates two years of depth. We have one verbally committed for 2019. 2020 has two 4 star OLBs and one is committed out of state.
If Kelvin Joseph doesn't return to Safety from CB, LSU will not have recruited a safety in 2 years! Just let that sink in!!! LSU was DBU!!!
Kendall McCallum, no disrespect to him, and admittedly he hits like a ton of bricks, but is considerably slower than Harris at ILB. If you can't position yourself to make the play due to lack of speed, then it stands to reason there won't be a hit at all, regardless of whether its a hard, average, or soft hit. If we strike out on Nakobe Dean, the loss of Harris and Constantine are magnified because Dean or Starks can play OLB or ILB and McCallum is not able and cannot equal the talent level of Dean, Harris, or Constantine from a speed aspect and can only play ILB.
You can't sign one of the three (Constantine, Harris, or Tongue), not in your own back yard (State of LA), but out of the bed you sleep in every night (in BR, ON YOUR OWN CAMPUS)! All 4 stars and very highly ranked (top 10 at their respective positions). This is a recruiting fiasco!
Those that don't see this trend at U high and Louisiana as a whole as a huge problem are fools considering the trends in Louisiana/LSU recruiting the last 16 years and this is why we are not competing with Alabama on their talent level.
And, then there are the idiots and fools that post on this board with their comments and "expert" analysis (sarcasm) when speaking of Constantine, Harris, and Tongue; they say "We don't want them" or "their not good enough", or "We don't need them".
Only one of the three has an offer from LSU...what the hell is up with that? There is a problem with two of the three not having offers and it does not lay with the recruits, it is with the staff.
What does an offer cost? Nothing!!! Kids may change their mind...recruiting one player now lasts 1.5 to two years or longer. If you make the offer the door is always open if things change in a kids life. If you don't make the offer, the door is closed and says "keep out"...This is bad, bad, bad. You can't reverse the trend and put a fence around LA with this strategy. Sorry Ed O and Aranda, but this is not the way to keep LA talent at home with kids ranked in the top 20 of their respective positions, 4 stars or better and at positions of need. All three play at positions of need in 2018, 2019 and 2020 respective LA classes compared to who we recruited, are currently recruiting, and will recruit from LA.
As far as Aranda not wanting Constantine or Tongue, I don't believe it. And, if it is true, Clemson and Georgia disagree and I trust their talent evaluations too and they have proven better "overall team" results in wins than LSU has over the same period of time. RESULTS MATTER in Ws or Ls. We have never heard the "Why" in "why doesn't Aranda want them" when it is obvious they play at a position of need in LSU's current class. The chirping crickets with no answer to the question of "why" Aranda does not want them is the reason I wave the BS flag...
Aranda want's them, but LSU hasn't made the offer...when this happens in recruiting, in my experience, the respective home team has no chance because of a prejudice against the home team/preconceived bias in the recruit's mind against the home team or the home team did something to screw up the chance of landing the kid. That may be the kid's fault in the first instance, but that is the school's problem and job to come up with a strategy to overcome the objections. The kid maybe set on going out of state. Thus, the home team has to show the kid why staying home is the better option. Go hard at them like Emory and Sopsher. In the second instance, if you screw up the recruiting of a kid, then you do what it takes to fix it. I don't buy that Aranda likes McCallum better than Harris...What I do buy is that it's easier to recruit McCallum than it is to spend time and resources on Harris. I call it lazy and not taking a chance on being able to land Harris. It's called cutting your losses in time and resources and ending up with a lesser talented player.
Finally, they aren't just being recruited by teams perennially out of the top 25.
They aren't just being recruited by teams in the top 6 to 25 teams. NO, NO, NO...they are verbally committed to and recruited by & to teams in the top 5 for the last several years!!! Just let that sink in!!! Clemson, Alabama, and Georgia...
Ed Orgeron and Dave Aranda...you "OWN" these three recruiting FAILs ON YOUR OWN DAMNED, F-ING CAMPUS!!!
And, this is why losing Constantine, Harris, and Tongue out of University High is such a big hurt to LSU. 2020 will be a down year in LA...we need another OLB in 2019. Constantin could have filled that gap, Harris can play OLB, ILB, or safety, Tongue can play OLB or Safety.
LSU signed two hybrid DE/OLBs in 2018, one is a JUCO and he only creates two years of depth. We have one verbally committed for 2019. 2020 has two 4 star OLBs and one is committed out of state.
If Kelvin Joseph doesn't return to Safety from CB, LSU will not have recruited a safety in 2 years! Just let that sink in!!! LSU was DBU!!!
Kendall McCallum, no disrespect to him, and admittedly he hits like a ton of bricks, but is considerably slower than Harris at ILB. If you can't position yourself to make the play due to lack of speed, then it stands to reason there won't be a hit at all, regardless of whether its a hard, average, or soft hit. If we strike out on Nakobe Dean, the loss of Harris and Constantine are magnified because Dean or Starks can play OLB or ILB and McCallum is not able and cannot equal the talent level of Dean, Harris, or Constantine from a speed aspect and can only play ILB.
You can't sign one of the three (Constantine, Harris, or Tongue), not in your own back yard (State of LA), but out of the bed you sleep in every night (in BR, ON YOUR OWN CAMPUS)! All 4 stars and very highly ranked (top 10 at their respective positions). This is a recruiting fiasco!
Those that don't see this trend at U high and Louisiana as a whole as a huge problem are fools considering the trends in Louisiana/LSU recruiting the last 16 years and this is why we are not competing with Alabama on their talent level.
And, then there are the idiots and fools that post on this board with their comments and "expert" analysis (sarcasm) when speaking of Constantine, Harris, and Tongue; they say "We don't want them" or "their not good enough", or "We don't need them".
Only one of the three has an offer from LSU...what the hell is up with that? There is a problem with two of the three not having offers and it does not lay with the recruits, it is with the staff.
What does an offer cost? Nothing!!! Kids may change their mind...recruiting one player now lasts 1.5 to two years or longer. If you make the offer the door is always open if things change in a kids life. If you don't make the offer, the door is closed and says "keep out"...This is bad, bad, bad. You can't reverse the trend and put a fence around LA with this strategy. Sorry Ed O and Aranda, but this is not the way to keep LA talent at home with kids ranked in the top 20 of their respective positions, 4 stars or better and at positions of need. All three play at positions of need in 2018, 2019 and 2020 respective LA classes compared to who we recruited, are currently recruiting, and will recruit from LA.
As far as Aranda not wanting Constantine or Tongue, I don't believe it. And, if it is true, Clemson and Georgia disagree and I trust their talent evaluations too and they have proven better "overall team" results in wins than LSU has over the same period of time. RESULTS MATTER in Ws or Ls. We have never heard the "Why" in "why doesn't Aranda want them" when it is obvious they play at a position of need in LSU's current class. The chirping crickets with no answer to the question of "why" Aranda does not want them is the reason I wave the BS flag...
Aranda want's them, but LSU hasn't made the offer...when this happens in recruiting, in my experience, the respective home team has no chance because of a prejudice against the home team/preconceived bias in the recruit's mind against the home team or the home team did something to screw up the chance of landing the kid. That may be the kid's fault in the first instance, but that is the school's problem and job to come up with a strategy to overcome the objections. The kid maybe set on going out of state. Thus, the home team has to show the kid why staying home is the better option. Go hard at them like Emory and Sopsher. In the second instance, if you screw up the recruiting of a kid, then you do what it takes to fix it. I don't buy that Aranda likes McCallum better than Harris...What I do buy is that it's easier to recruit McCallum than it is to spend time and resources on Harris. I call it lazy and not taking a chance on being able to land Harris. It's called cutting your losses in time and resources and ending up with a lesser talented player.
Finally, they aren't just being recruited by teams perennially out of the top 25.
They aren't just being recruited by teams in the top 6 to 25 teams. NO, NO, NO...they are verbally committed to and recruited by & to teams in the top 5 for the last several years!!! Just let that sink in!!! Clemson, Alabama, and Georgia...
Ed Orgeron and Dave Aranda...you "OWN" these three recruiting FAILs ON YOUR OWN DAMNED, F-ING CAMPUS!!!
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:34 pm to NoPandGglasses
Aranda did not want Harris. I don't know how else to tell you that. He would take him, but he had other LBs he liked better on the board.
Tongue wanted to be given a shot at offense and we said no. Just not a good fit for either him or us
Constantine there really isn't a huge answer there. He let it be known he wanted to go out of state early on, and he wasn't a guy they liked enough to spend the resources on to convince to stay.
We'll be getting Roy from UHigh next year, so it isn't like we're shut out there, but just like every other school in Louisiana, they have to really be picky because they can't just offer a kid and then move on at the last moment for a better athlete without pissing off a bunch of people.
Tongue wanted to be given a shot at offense and we said no. Just not a good fit for either him or us
Constantine there really isn't a huge answer there. He let it be known he wanted to go out of state early on, and he wasn't a guy they liked enough to spend the resources on to convince to stay.
We'll be getting Roy from UHigh next year, so it isn't like we're shut out there, but just like every other school in Louisiana, they have to really be picky because they can't just offer a kid and then move on at the last moment for a better athlete without pissing off a bunch of people.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:41 pm to VolTiger13
Bull shite! I've watch the film on Harris and McCallum...a blind man can see how slow McCallum is and how the speed of Devin White won him the Butkis Trophy and made him an All American.
The difference is daylight and dark.
Making that statement means that Aranda is stupid and I know he is very smart. And, Bama want's him and Nick Saban is the best DC in college football.
Have you seen Bama's DC? He is a great recruiter, but does not have the resume to be a DC!!! Not in the SEC or especially at Bama. Why is that?
Because Saban is the "real" and "only" DC at Bama. Bama's DC is "in training" to be a DC under Saban's tutelage. So Aranda does not want Harris, but the winner of how many NCs does want him?
And, I'm supposed to believe you over Nick Saban?
The difference is daylight and dark.
Making that statement means that Aranda is stupid and I know he is very smart. And, Bama want's him and Nick Saban is the best DC in college football.
Have you seen Bama's DC? He is a great recruiter, but does not have the resume to be a DC!!! Not in the SEC or especially at Bama. Why is that?
Because Saban is the "real" and "only" DC at Bama. Bama's DC is "in training" to be a DC under Saban's tutelage. So Aranda does not want Harris, but the winner of how many NCs does want him?
And, I'm supposed to believe you over Nick Saban?
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:51 pm to NoPandGglasses
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And, Bama want's him
Call Nick and ask if he'd rather have Starks or Harris. There's several names in the class Nick would love to have in his class and didn't get. (Starks, Brooks, Stingley, Emery, Davis, Etc...) So let's not pretend like our staff doesn't know what the hell the are doing with picking guys that fit their scheme.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:53 pm to VolTiger13
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Call Nick and ask if he'd rather have Starks or Harris.
The choice is not either or...We need both Starks and Harris for ILB.
The choice is between Harris and McCallum.
Defection is not your strong suit! Stay focused on the issue..
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:53 pm to NoPandGglasses
Harris wouldn't even camp to let Aranda see him work at LB and stated he wanted to play offense. LSU wasnt going to take Harris on offense over Devonta Lee which is essentially in the same boat as an ATH.
The other two guys were competing with Marcel Brooks for an OLB position and Brooks is the far better prospect.
It's a numbers and needs game and Constantine, Tounge and Harris though good players didnt fit higher on the board then what Aranda pegged.
If LSU lands Brooks, Starks, McCallum and somehow nabs Nakobe Dean then this arguement laughable.
Just because they are local kids doesnt mean they have to be offered by LSU.
Stop with the butt hurt.
The other two guys were competing with Marcel Brooks for an OLB position and Brooks is the far better prospect.
It's a numbers and needs game and Constantine, Tounge and Harris though good players didnt fit higher on the board then what Aranda pegged.
If LSU lands Brooks, Starks, McCallum and somehow nabs Nakobe Dean then this arguement laughable.
Just because they are local kids doesnt mean they have to be offered by LSU.
Stop with the butt hurt.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:53 pm to NoPandGglasses
quote:
Bull shite! I've watch the film on Harris and McCallum...a blind man can see how slow McCallum is and how the speed of Devin White won him the Butkis Trophy and made him an All American.
HUDL has Harris as a 4.76 40 and McCallum as 4.7 flat.
Also McCallum squats 585 vs 350 for Harris
McCallum even has a better vertical 37 vs 35
And benches 100lbs more: 365 vs 265
I imagine harris has a better shuttle but I don't see one listed for McCallum.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:54 pm to NoPandGglasses
Thats a whole big wall of text, let me skip over that and reply anyway
those kids are soft. Dont want em, dont need em. Next
those kids are soft. Dont want em, dont need em. Next
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:55 pm to TruthTellerLSU
quote:
Harris wouldn't even camp to let Aranda see him work at LB and stated he wanted to play offense
That's not Harris fault...that is LSU's and Aranda's job and problem. Buy hook or by crook, get him, by any means necessary...to where ever time or place you need him.
That is why Bama has him and we do not...
Excuses are like assholes...everyone has one...
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:58 pm to NoPandGglasses
What year did you graduate UHighv?
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:58 pm to RATeamWannabe
quote:
Thats a whole big wall of text, let me skip over that and reply anyway those kids are soft. Dont want em, dont need em. Next
That whole wall of text explains why idiots like you make excuses that make no sense and thus, why I call you "with objective reason", an idiot.
Bama, Clemson, and Georgia do not think they are "soft"...maybe your head is soft, but not these 3 recruits.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:59 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
What year did you graduate UHighv?
No, Menard and I I've been reading your drivel for over 16 years...
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:59 pm to NoPandGglasses
I agree somewhat that Harris is a better fit for today's world of spread offenses, but aranda knows what he wants and I'm not going to argue with the man. Harris chose to be part of the machine in Tuscaloosa but who knows how he turns out because he's never played LB. We know exactly what we're getting in McCallum and once he gets to campus, he will be coached up by one of the best defensive coaches in the country.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 12/16/18 at 7:00 pm to NoPandGglasses
So you are saying it LSU fault that Harris was invited numerous times to LSU to camp and workout but chose not to do so.
I guess Aranda will need to put tracking chips on local kids and call Uber to locate them at gunpoint to make them come to camp.
That's on Harris that he didnt want to show up to a place where he actually sits down for class every day.
I guess Aranda will need to put tracking chips on local kids and call Uber to locate them at gunpoint to make them come to camp.
That's on Harris that he didnt want to show up to a place where he actually sits down for class every day.
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