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re: Oh look Coach O is doing what he set out to do!

Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:26 am to
Posted by lsutbt
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171 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:26 am to
Oh no that can’t be right. We haven’t got a 4* from there since 2011 according to this dude lol
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:29 am to
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Sweet jesus you are all over the place. One minute the recruiting services count the next you trust the coaches evaluations. You don't trust Aranda's though we know that. You even refuse to believe a recruits forty time who by this time has had it checked by multiple entities repeatedly. You pick and choose whichever piece of information you want to bolster your argument while ignoring information that doesn't. You argue like an hysterical woman. You've posted a lot of stuff yet you haven't won many people over. Anyway have a great day. You haven't been successful here. Hopefully that's a comfort.


#1 I do trust Aranda, but I have not heard him, out of his own mouth, say that McCallum is better than Harris and he offered Harris first, not McCallum. And, due to recruiting rules, Aranda can't publicly say anything, you know this. I think McCallum is his fall-back plan because he can't get or doesn't think he can get Dean or Harris. I don't buy the line that is being sold to us that Aranda prefers McCallum. Don't put words in my mouth. Aranda is a Great Coach, but he is not as good as Saban is GREAT! Saban is the GOAT at DC and will always be Bama's real DC until he retires.

I don't need people to agree with me to know when I'm right.

I'm not a suck-up to internet bullies who are into group think...that is what is wrong with Corporate America and the USA. I think for myself and use critical thinking skills.

You made no comment on how 40 times are not updated and can be old.


Recruiting service rankings are all we have to go on and coach's offers. Recruiting rankings are to be taken with a grain of salt and used in conjunction with offers. Offers and verbal commitments to the top ranked "NC" winning programs do tell a story of top talent. That's just recruiting. It's not an exact science and anyone who follows it knows that. Star rankings are not precise and do not guarantee future results, but on the whole, statistically speaking, using thousands of rankings on thousands of recruits, the averages hold true for most top ranked recruits, while, at the same time, exceptions to the rule can coexist. Exceptions to the rule will always exist, that's life, that statistics, and that's recruiting.

These are not the arguments of a hysterical woman, but that of analyst who doesn't buy false narratives and group think. I question that which does not add up and back that up with facts to the contrary that don't fit the narrative others are putting forth to cover someone's Azz whom they are emotionally tied to! I root for LSU, not the coaches per se. That separates me from much of LSU's fan base and the Admins.

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You even refuse to believe a recruits forty time who by this time has had it checked by multiple entities repeatedly.


You are just trying to discredit me and mischaracterize what I said. Saban has not offered McCallum and Harris has verbally committed to Saban. If you are this clueless, then I can't help you. Harris played CB and WR in HS and McCallum played ILB. Tell me when the 40 times were taken...as Sophomore and Jrs...or Seniors? It makes a huge difference.

I'm fighting a false narrative that has been going on... on this site for over a year...I don't expect many converts.



This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 4:02 am
Posted by LSU$$$
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
1155 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:34 am to
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Oh no that can’t be right. We haven’t got a 4* from there since 2011 according to this dude lol


Yeah, he said he is from Pineville/Alexandria. I'm guessing he just sees the state championships from the last 3 years and assumes that U high is a football factory like Evangel or Curtis.

It's not a football factory. They have had a good run this past few years, but it has as much to do with the LHSAA spitting the public schools from the private schools as it does with U high having good teams. U high is a small school compared with the big public schools and has traditionally competed more with Episcopal and Catholic(very recently) than the big public schools(like Menard!)
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 12:37 am
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:39 am to
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Oh no that can’t be right. We haven’t got a 4* from there since 2011 according to this dude lol


I never said that...what I said is since 2011, LSU has been missing on a great deal of in state talent. LSU has missed on 4 U high players since 2014 that I know of and they have all been 4 stars.

I don't follow U High unless they have highly ranked recruits. I follow LSU and LA recruiting in general.

Posted by irnfan
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2013
1442 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 12:42 am to
Wow. Where to begin?
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NoPandGglasses
Thanks for the truth in advertising. Whether intentional or not, every one of your posts is a hijack of the original thread which on its merits is a very positive result for LSU. Compared to other schools and even the recent past, we killed it putting up a fence around our state this year.

Congrats to the Coaching staff (and Kardell)!

Ok, although I prefer that you didn't, I guess you're free now to carry on with your hijack.
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:10 am to


Looks like we have equaled Bama for in state talent...you are right.

I'm fighting a false narrative and my posts have been needing to be written for some time...hijack or not, we have to be lock tight with almost 100% lock down for LA kids to ever beat Bama. That's our base then out of state to supplement.

Every LA 4 star or better kid that commits to Bama becomes a double wammy for LSU...LSU usually must make due with lesser talent and Bama gets a very talented kid that helps them beat LSU and win a NC. It's a vicious cycle that has to end and is the major reason we are 0-8 the last 8 games vs. Bama. But, there is an "ostrich affect" within our fan base that refuses to see it. I came hard and strong to counter that faction on this site and in the fan base.


Orgeron said and I quote, "We need better recruits"...did he not? Did he not say his goal was to "put the fence back up around Louisiana?"

I have said nothing in all these posts contrary to what Ed Orgeron said himself, publicly. If he can only beat Saban and win a NC, hell, I'd take an SEC Championship and playoff berth and be happy as hell to have the "Shrimp Boat Captain" as our HC...serve me some Gumbo, please!...two bags full, just friking lock down the state and beat Bama!!!

February is not here yet, I have hopes that we can land a decommitment and commitment from one, just one U High 4 star...that would make LSU 9 of the top 11 and I can live with that!



This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 1:26 am
Posted by lsutbt
Member since Feb 2017
171 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:21 am to
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Looks like we have equaled bama for in state talent

Are you referring to Louisiana talent on just this year with this statement?
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:22 am to
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You are just trying to discredit me and mischaracterize what I said



The frick if I am. You've discredited yourself and I had nothing to do with it. I merely pointed it out. You have a good day.
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:29 am to
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Are you referring to Louisiana talent on just this year with this statement?


LSU and Bama, according to 247, have each 6 of the top 10 of their in state talent...so far...in the composite...for 2019.


This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 1:30 am
Posted by lsutbt
Member since Feb 2017
171 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:36 am to
And 3 of our 6 right now are 5*. None of their instate recruits are 5* so I’d say we’re ahead of them even tho we have the same number of players. And each one of those instate 5* recruits we have, all hold offers from your dad nick
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:39 am to
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The frick if I am. You've discredited yourself and I had nothing to do with it. I merely pointed it out. You have a good day.


Your arguments have been weighed, measured, and found lacking...you discredited nothing that I said.

You could not counter one thing I said to counter your hysterical post to me...you provided no dates to the 40 times...in fairness, neither can I.

You have a nice day too and continue believing everything the "majority on this site" are selling.

Good day to you Sir!
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 2:14 am
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 1:46 am to
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And 3 of our 6 right now are 5*. None of their instate recruits are 5* so I’d say we’re ahead of them even tho we have the same number of players. And each one of those instate 5* recruits we have, all hold offers from your dad nick


You are right when looking at it that way. No doubt! I just phrased it that way to counter another poster using the way he laid it out.

As far as Nick, I loved him when he was at LSU...he brought us out of irrelevance to a contender to National Champion...to be the best, you must beat the best. He built our program up from the ashes of DiNardo, Hallman, Archer, and Charlie Mac. They were all losers who settled for second best. Saban is a winner. And, as General Patton said, "America hates a loser and loves a winner". But, I still hate Bama and I root for them to lose every game. I swear to God, I do. But, regardless of my utter hate for Bama, you must respect Saban...I do not respect Bama and never will.

Whatever LSU's modern football program is today, was built by Nick Saban. If you don't believe me, just pull up our record of Ws & Ls from 1990 to 1999...then, look at LSU's record for the 5 years Saban was here...look at when the majority of modern facilities were built for the football program, and look at when money to the TAF began to surge to new heights...that is all due to Mark Emmert and Nick Saban.


LINK

"Emmert was named Chancellor of LSU in 1999. He led the creation of the "Flagship Agenda," an effort credited with moving the university significantly forward in its standing as an academic institution, an effort that is still credited with advancing the university in very significant ways. During his tenure the academic preparation of entering freshmen increased substantially. Enrollment from across the country increased as well. LSU's research profile improved as a result of new research initiatives, particularly in computer science, marine and coastal science, and basic sciences. A number of academic construction projects commenced, including buildings and renovations for music and dramatic arts, marine biology and coastal studies, biology, residence halls, and the student union. Fund raising projects were begun that have resulted in dramatic improvements in the Ogden Honors College, the E.J. Ourso College of Business and the College of Engineering. Improvements were made to athletic facilities, most notably the creation of the Cox Communications Academic Center, renovation and expansion of Tiger Stadium, and a new state-of-the-art enclosure for the campus mascot, Mike the Tiger, that has become a major attraction for visitors to campus. Emmert’s wife, DeLaine Emmert, was very engaged in these fund raising efforts. State support for the university reached a then-historic high during Emmert's tenure.

In 1999, Emmert hired Nick Saban as football coach. LSU won the BCS Championship in 2004 under Saban's tutelage.
The graduation rate of the LSU football team, among the lowest in the SEC when Emmert arrived, was among the highest by 2004.


In 2001–02, a university instructor made accusations of academic fraud in the school's football program, including plagiarized papers and un-enrolled students showing up in class to take notes for football players. At the time, LSU was already on NCAA probation due to violations in the men's basketball program for violations that predated Emmert's employment. A university-led investigation into the academic fraud allegations found only minor violations. The report stated, "Despite isolated incidents, the allegations were largely unfounded." The NCAA accepted LSU's finding and self-imposed minor penalties (loss of two football scholarships) and declined to put the school on probation. Subsequently, two women sued the university for forcing them from their jobs as a result of whistleblowing about the academic fraud. The lawsuits were settled for $110,000 for each person. During the case, an employee of the academic counseling center confirmed the women's claims under oath, including changed grades for football players. A portion of Emmert's salary was paid by the LSU Foundation, The Alumni Foundation and the Tiger Athletic Foundation.[2]
In September, 2016 Emmert was honored by LSU as the first Haymon Distinguished Visiting Professor at the Ogden Honors College."



I mearly recognize that he is the Gold Standard. And, he knows how to defeat LSU before we even take the field!!! He steals LA recruits that LSU not only wants, but needs and must have...the double wammy.

Many are missing that this is the point I'm trying to make...





This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 2:30 am
Posted by GEAUX5
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
5145 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 2:42 am to
no one will read that
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5927 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 2:43 am to
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Cause he posted an idiotic, political version of this thread that got deleted 30 minutes ago.

He's earned them.



I didn't catch the deleted version, but by his parting shot at the end, toward Chicken, I figured he must have tried to make a snarky political remark out of it. In which case, I agree, he earned the downvotes.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 2:44 am
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:25 am to
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Jesus. There’s a lot of butthurt in this thread. Following recruiting definitely isn’t for the faint of heart.


That is what happens when you take on/refute false narratives, group think, and "the consensus"...I'm just a global warming denyer!


Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14488 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:36 am to
NoPandGglasses you got bashed up pretty good in this thread but do agree on some of your points. It is essential that LSU keep top talent home. Saban Knew this when he was at LSU . How many Top players left La. when he was the head coach? I dont think any. He also didnt have to deal with a dynasty right down the road either like LSU has to deal with now.Lead by Saban himself. I understand the frustration trust me watching bama just totally manhandle LSU the last 7 years is hard to swallow when we used to be on an even playing field.

How do you compete with a team that literally grabs the top players from every state not Just Louisiana? Your argument would be by keeping them instate. I agree but how do you that when the kid did not grow up an LSU fan? and is dead set on leaving the state. such as Cam Robinson/tillery at ND. Now you add the bama factor which is winning Nc's and yearly playoff trips to a kid that has no real connection to LSU. Prime example the Dlineman from Amite. They have done everthing to keep this kid at home even offered his brother a scholarship. Yet it looks like he is going to bama. I do think LSU needs some work on recruiting certain areas of the state such as amite and the northern parishes but U-high is not one of them.

The only thing that would help LSU getting these types of kids instate and surrounding states like : texas,miss,Fl would be to start making playoffs. Then LSU becomes the cool school like bama/clemson are today. That starts at the Top with the head coach. That starts with a 10 win season this year and a playoff next year. I like you am not content with 2nd and 3rd place finishes in the SEC west and if next year ends with a 10-3 or 9-4 record than Ed O needs to be shown the door not given an extension.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 3:39 am
Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:40 am to
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Reading this post made me feel like I was an accomplice in my own rape.


Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 3:57 am to
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What school did Brosette go to?


U High and that's not the point of my posts!

Brosette was 2015, Brumfield 2014 and we are talking 2019...U High in 2019 is a symptom of a larger Louisiana and longer lasting trend since 2011.


Posted by NoPandGglasses
Pineville - Central State Hopital
Member since Aug 2018
292 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 4:26 am to
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NoPandGglasses you got bashed up pretty good in this thread but do agree on some of your points


Glutten for punishment...

You make good points with undisputed facts.

For Orgeron, it would take bringing in an OC like Art Briles who is an offensive genius to counter the genius of Saban.

Briles has a college football scarlet letter (Baylor rape scandal to which Briles was the fall-guy and patsy) sewn to his chest and is now coaching pro football in Italy and is virtually unhirable in Canada or the USA. The political correctness dominating academia would never let this happen. Briles won a conference championship at Houston (CUSA) and two at Baylor (Big 12) and rocked the college football world. The last time Baylor won anything was back in the 1950s. He knows how to bring a cellar dweller up to contender to championship winner. He knows how to develop and recruit QBs...see RG3.

But, to hire Briles, not only would you have to overcome LSU Administraion and PC Academia, but Orgeron would have to give total control of the offense to Briles as OC. I don't think it's in Orgeron's character to do that or that he is capable of putting LSU ahead of his ego to that monumental extent.


Briles is a championship winner, three times proven...that is what you do to counter Saban and turn our program around to being a top 5 program where we can put a wall around LA and pull in top National talent. But, the powers that be will not let it happen regrettably.

Thanks for the kind words...at least I'm not alone in some of my points...


This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 4:42 am
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14488 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:11 am to
Everyone wanted briles but Coach O, like miles, is a control freak and unwilling to step out of his comfort zone. When Coach O did that he fired his OC before the year even ended.

I also believe LSU will never beat todays bama team with a conventional offense. I have my doubts about next year , especially if lawerence leaves,but believe coach O can close strong in recruiting to bridge the talent gap between LSU and the top schools.
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