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Whats the boards opinion of doe cutoff dates.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:12 pm
Our lease has a rule that we can't shoot does after a set date.
Is this, in your opinion a reasonable rule?
Weather do to the rule are not I don't think the club is taking enough does.
Last year we killed 5 does to 13 bucks.The year before was about the same and this year is looking to go the same route with only 3 or 4 does taken with the dead line fast approaching.
The thought behind the rule is to not be taking bred does but to me that doesn't make any sense as a doe taken before the date is obviously a does that can't breed.
The rule also hinders some of the guys who can't get to the lease early in the season to even get a chance at a couple does.
I'm open to having my mind changed but I don't like the rule at all.
Is this, in your opinion a reasonable rule?
Weather do to the rule are not I don't think the club is taking enough does.
Last year we killed 5 does to 13 bucks.The year before was about the same and this year is looking to go the same route with only 3 or 4 does taken with the dead line fast approaching.
The thought behind the rule is to not be taking bred does but to me that doesn't make any sense as a doe taken before the date is obviously a does that can't breed.
The rule also hinders some of the guys who can't get to the lease early in the season to even get a chance at a couple does.
I'm open to having my mind changed but I don't like the rule at all.
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Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:15 pm to FrankDrebin
I don’t know what kind of population y’all have but up here that would be a terrible management practice.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:17 pm to FrankDrebin
Dude some people are just dumb. Hate the rule and it seems no matter how much you try to explain it to them people can’t understand.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:18 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
Really need an idea of herd numbers and ratios.
Taking them early helps get more does bred early and dropping fawns early, but taking them late is better than never and might extend your rut.
Taking them early helps get more does bred early and dropping fawns early, but taking them late is better than never and might extend your rut.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:20 pm to FrankDrebin
biologically it makes no difference whether you shoot one in October or the day before it gives birth it will not be having fawns that year
it doesnt matter
it doesnt matter
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:22 pm to Huntinguy
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gets more does bred early
if they dont get bred the first go around they will get bred the second go around
dont see what it matters for deer to all be dropping fawns at the same time
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:24 pm to FrankDrebin
I like the rule. Not so much for biological purposes, but more so that it may increase my buck chances during the rut.
Shoot my does early, then buck hunt the rest of the year. We also have a rule that you must shoot a doe before you can shoot a buck too
Shoot my does early, then buck hunt the rest of the year. We also have a rule that you must shoot a doe before you can shoot a buck too
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:28 pm to FrankDrebin
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Last year we killed 5 does to 13 bucks.The year before was about the same and this year is looking to go the same route with only 3 or 4 does taken with the dead line fast approaching
Would like more info on this. Where? What size tract? What did those 13 bucks look like?
At first glance, my gut says those numbers should probably be flipped (13 does, 5 bucks instead of 13 bucks and 5 does)
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:28 pm to Ron Cheramie
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biologically it makes no difference whether you shoot one in October or the day before it gives birth it will not be having fawns that year
That and your neighbors better do the same thing or that doe will be in their freezer
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:28 pm to fillmoregandt
You can hunt this way regardless of the rule being in place or not though.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:29 pm to FrankDrebin
Depends on the rut. If you have an early rut, day mid November you don’t want to be shooting does in January.. I myself have said after dec 15 no does and our rut started around Christmas. But other people still did
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:34 pm to fillmoregandt
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Would like more info on this. Where? What size tract? What did those 13 bucks look like?
2000 acres.
Mississippi.
At least half those bucks are younger than 3yrs old do to quite a few youth hunters.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:35 pm to FrankDrebin
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You can hunt this way regardless of the rule being in place or not though.
Like I said, I do already, but rules (hopefully) ensure that everyone else does too
Another advantage is that it cuts down on shots and people in the woods looking for does. Especially on green fields. Toward the end of the season, deer (and especially bucks) are leery of green fields. By not shooting does on green fields, it will help to ease some of the pressure.
And if you shot a bunch of does before the rut, then there are less does to be bred, which means bucks will have to look harder for them. And by not blasting does on green fields, a buck may be more likely to ease into a field after a doe
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:36 pm to FrankDrebin
I have had a standing offer to join a lease of 2,200 acres with only 9 members for the last three years. The main reason I have not done so is due to their doe killing rule. The club has everything I am looking for besides the idiotic rule of each member gets (1) doe only for the year. The doe can be killed by the member or his guest.
I have hunted this place several times a year for the last four years and always see deer. A typical sit includes seeing at least a dozen does and half a dozen bucks. The buck rule is it has to be 8 points or better.
I tell them each year that I will join that day if they get serious about killing the does. I am a firm believer in taking does.
I have hunted this place several times a year for the last four years and always see deer. A typical sit includes seeing at least a dozen does and half a dozen bucks. The buck rule is it has to be 8 points or better.
I tell them each year that I will join that day if they get serious about killing the does. I am a firm believer in taking does.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:39 pm to 4LSU2
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I have hunted this place several times a year for the last four years and always see deer.
Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:41 pm to 4LSU2
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I am a firm believer in taking does.
Ditto. And one doe per membership on 2200 acres is moronic.
To OP, my uneducated opinion would be shoot waay more does and less bucks on 2000 acres. Obviously it depends where you are in the state, density, harvest goals, etc, but I would be hammering the does and cutting back on the young bucks.
That is if your goal is shooting big deer. If it’s more it’s-brown-it’s-down, then rock on
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:43 pm to FrankDrebin
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to me that doesn't make any sense as a doe taken before the date is obviously a does that can't breed
Yep. When I hit the powerball my club will have a doe quota and there will be no dates.
If you're gonna shoot them anyway, then it makes very little difference when you do it. Taking does early will cause a little more competition between bucks during the rut in theory but I don't think the vast majority of places have the ratios to actually notice a difference.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:47 pm to FrankDrebin
Ive seen clubs do that. The reason behind it is based on the belief that a buck wasted 4 days during peek breading chasing and courting a doe that ends up dead, rather than spending that time on one that will produce.
I wouldn't imagine it makes enough difference to be noticeable but I cant disagree with it but also wouldn't push the idea on those opposed
I wouldn't imagine it makes enough difference to be noticeable but I cant disagree with it but also wouldn't push the idea on those opposed
This post was edited on 12/14/18 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:48 pm to Ron Cheramie
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dont see what it matters for deer to all be dropping fawns at the same time
If all of the fawns are dropping at the same time they have a better chance of surviving predators.
Posted on 12/14/18 at 12:52 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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it is based on the belief that a buck wasted 4 days during peek breading chasing and courting a doe that ends up dead
Do they feel bad for the buck? I'm having trouble understanding this one. Every doe in the woods is gonna get bred by something, eventually.
I'd be willing to listen to someone make the case that taking does early allows the more mature bucks to focus their efforts, but that's really a ratio issue not a timing issue. A mature buck can only breed one at a time and the spikes are still gonna get theirs, and probably aren't that different genetically from the nice 4 year old 8pt you want breeding them.
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